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  • Lancer
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    Yes, I'll do that.

    Bought one red clay brick yesterday, potter seems to know what he's doing. The brick is very light weight, I was surprised. There was an old oven, not pizza, with his bricks burning very hot, and they looked okay. The one I bought is sitting in our outdoor wood burning cooking area where it will be in the flame and I'll see how it holds up. Coast P12, or about a quarter. Can buy bags of red clay as well, for the refractory cement. Also found stuff I think is lime which is advertised as stucco, in bags sold next to Portland cement. Stuff is white in color. Got the brand name and will research it.

    I am so thrilled with yesterdays explorations! All is available, thank you God. Now a trip to Camiguin Island, a nearby volcanic island I can see out my window, looking for pumice, or perlite. If they're selling the stuff there, we're in business.

    Now, on to find a location for a thread related to this build.

    Edit: http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f51/...tml#post149980
    Last edited by Lancer; 04-10-2013, 04:56 PM.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Gudday
    Just a thought as this thing is getting firmer into the planning stage it might be time to start a separate thread to contain you build?
    What we have done is hijacked another thread. Could I suggest also that the title contain the word Philippines so that those who come later can have a easily searchable resource.
    Regards dave

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  • Lancer
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    I would if I could, believe me. Finding galvanized here is a problem. Forget galvanized nails and screws... I can find stainless bolts not too expensive. They're a basic part to the motorcycles here and sold in the city. Found stainless welding rods as well, just have to find stainless plate.

    Amazing things these stoves. At every turn I'm having to learn some new procedure or use materials which are totally unfamiliar. This will be a fun project.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Gudday Lancer
    Or have a bet each way and only double up the section that passes through the roof ? Stainless bolts are expensive ,double dipped gal through the wood beams should do. I live 1/2 km off Morton bay double dipped gal does the job.
    Regards dave

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  • Lancer
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    I think something like that would be best Dave. If I'm going to spend all the $ doubling the chimney I might just as well get stainless welded up as shown, with a single plate and stainless bolts. The more I look at it the better I like.

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  • Lancer
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    Something like that was kicking around in the back of my mind, but with double metal bars to carry each joist. The elevated rain flange too, it allows for hot air to rise through but sheds anything but sideways rain. Nice find cobblerdave, and I really appreciate the time you've spent. I have one reservation, we live on the ocean and everything rusts. I could have this welded up in stainless but...$. I'm trying to think up an alternative long lasting cheap solution and not coming up with much. Doubling the chimney is what I'm considering, then on the outer, cooler chimney attaching the wood directly. Still in the planning stages.

    Btw, 'Measure twice, cut once' was the saying my old carpentry teacher from high school swore by.
    Last edited by Lancer; 04-07-2013, 05:39 AM.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Gudday
    find attached possible way if putting chimney through an octaginal roof

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    this is not my idea but something I seen used on a house renervation yrs ago. Mod 1 from the engineer did not work he didn't allow for the lenght of the bolts. We changed it and had it remade and powder coated black againt varnised wood beams it was special

    Regards Dave

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  • Lancer
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    In that case its the best drawing ever!

    Sure I'll try to remember to bring a camera next trip. Getting senile though... The thing about those tripod stoves is they are red clay so there must be some out there locally to buy, or at least in the city. That's where we'll start tracking down the manufacturer of the very red one, better than brownish red clay. Since the bricks are made of the stuff and its an important ingredient in the refractory cement I absolutely must find out where the tripods are made. Don't know what other use could be made of those stoves, they aren't really that big. I'll try to get pics.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Originally posted by Lancer View Post
    Should I send you a big check? I'm referring to the dimension of the paper, not the size of the $0

    Heck of an idea. I'm tempted to make a row of the things, have them welded and build the wood fire on em. Later when I add the husks on top the things will already be there and hot as...well hot. Great way to get air ti just the right place. You know you're a genius brickie? Well whatever, that idea is brilliant.

    I wouldn't quit your day job to become an artist however.

    I'd say you guys have greatly improved the design of the oven.

    Saw the 'red' clay tripod stoves made locally and they're more brown than red. The ones I saw in Tagbilaran where wonderfully red, so we have to search them out when in the city again.
    Gudday
    Brickies wife works in child care ... He employs kids to do his drawings !
    Those "red clay tripod stoves" sounds interesting. If the basic deisign is good trick it up with a bit of insulation. Would be worth the investigation. Some pics and discription would be good

    Regards dave

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  • Lancer
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    Should I send you a big check? I'm referring to the dimension of the paper, not the size of the $0

    Heck of an idea. I'm tempted to make a row of the things, have them welded and build the wood fire on em. Later when I add the husks on top the things will already be there and hot as...well hot. Great way to get air ti just the right place. You know you're a genius brickie? Well whatever, that idea is brilliant.

    I wouldn't quit your day job to become an artist however.

    I'd say you guys have greatly improved the design of the oven.

    Saw the 'red' clay tripod stoves made locally and they're more brown than red. The ones I saw in Tagbilaran where wonderfully red, so we have to search them out when in the city again.
    Last edited by Lancer; 04-05-2013, 03:34 AM.

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  • brickie in oz
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    Here is how I eventually got the timber shavings to burn, and burn they did, they burn so fierce its scary to watch and hear.

    Get some 50mm dia pipe (dont use gal) or similar, block one end off and drill heaps of holes in the pipe just anywhere.
    Cover with husks and light the front lot of husks, dont cover the front of the pipe.

    Try it with the rice husks Im sure it will work.

    You can send the royalties to Brickie in Oz care of Australia.
    Last edited by brickie in oz; 04-04-2013, 09:52 PM.

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  • Lancer
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    Thanks cobblerdave, I much appreciate that great tip.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Gudday
    Think it's about time you downloaded the forno free plans.
    Go to the forno online store load a set of free plans in the trolley and they will be e-mailed to you. Everything's in there except rice husk fuel

    Regards dave

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  • Lancer
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    "63 percent entrance height to dome height."

    That's good to know. Have a question. I'm 6' tall, any idea how high the floor should be? I was considering 4' 6" though I could easily lower that to 4'. Any other handy specs would be very helpful.

    Regarding the husks, even if I was 99% sure it wouldn't work I still have to try. The high cost of wood, the fact that husks are free, and the ideas presented here by you guys, wrapping in paper or packing in bamboo, the benefit of free fuel however unlikely must be tried. For one thing, the attempt costs so little particularly since you guys have talked me out of attempting the shute.
    Last edited by Lancer; 04-04-2013, 08:37 AM.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Gudday
    I can just see in my mind eye those pile of shavings smoldering away like brickie said. Poke them introduce that air and you have some combustion. The google I did said this morning was to do with the shape of the husk that it needed air to be introduced to burn.
    A WFO breaths. All to do with the 63 per cent entrance hieght to dome height. Light a fire in a cold oven and the smoke hovers in a layer about a third of the way up the bottom third is clear. Reaches a point where the heat builds up and gets reflected back ..... Suddenly the smoke clears and the fires away burning efficiently. It's all a balance between air being drawn in at the bottom exiting at the 63per cent of oven hieght entrance . Add an internal chimney without some form of control or introducing an air flow would upset the balance of how these ovens "breath" and regulate themselves. Same with a forced air flow to induce you husk to burn.
    Just some thoughts and suppositions for the moment ....all ideas are good ones if they lead to some more and finally a solution maybe

    Regards dave

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