45.1˚C here today

[david s]

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Very good point.

We just have to be careful we don't pander to the idiots who are more concerned about enjoying the fight rather than gaining a decent outcome.

My perception is that most environmentalist are also peace lovers and are not looking for fights, just taking assertive action. I also think that the IQ levels are pretty much evenly distributed on both sides of the argument.

[wotavidone]

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Anyway, on to Global Warming.
If this bushfire isn't warming up the planet, I dunno what is.
The hills are about 10 km away from where this pic was taken on Sunday night. Published on adelaidenow.com.au

23 days now.

[TropicalCoasting]

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Somethings are worth fighting for and not everyone agrees at the time
To stop sand mining Fraser Island,save the Franklin River,save The Rocks were all good fights.

[wotavidone]

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Everyone has a vested interest in the environment.

Very good point.

We just have to be careful we don't pander to the idiots who are more concerned about enjoying the fight rather than gaining a decent outcome.

[TropicalCoasting]

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Everyone has a vested interest in the environment.

[Greenman]

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Truth and honesty has little to do with management of the natural resources in Queensland right now. Decisions are made by stooges appointed by the govt. Same goes federally, they don't like the truth getting in the road of decisions that benefit their financial supporters either.

[wotavidone]

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True, but the Authority's charter is to protect the reef and manage its use. They have not listened to the science that was presented or considered the other (more costly) options. All the marine scientists from the Aust.Institute of Marine Science and James Cook Uni are gob smacked at the decision. There was a submission signed by 240 scientists against the proposal.

Money always wins.

It's a pity the ABC quoted Greenpeace. They are just so anti-everything that the minute they weigh into an argument, lots of people, myself included, turn off.

I must tell you about the time Greenpeace sailed (motored) up Spencer Gulf in their steel boat to protest the Whyalla steel works, then wore their PVC wet weather gear as they protested the petrochemical plant, then came over to our place to protest our "polluted" drain water, motored up the creek in their inflatable boats (more petrochemicals), then actually rinsed their coffee cups in said drain water (I kid you not), all the while giving interviews over the lead acid battery powered ship's radio while they were parked just offshore from our lead smelter! So much hypocrisy, so little credibility.

[david s]

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True, but the Authority's charter is to protect the reef and manage its use. They have not listened to the science that was presented or considered the other (more costly) options. All the marine scientists from the Aust.Institute of Marine Science and James Cook Uni are gob smacked at the decision. There was a submission signed by 240 scientists against the proposal.

[wotavidone]

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Here is the reason the marine Park authority went against the science they were presented with. A conflict of interest if ever there was one. Two of the 5 board members stand to gain from the development.

Great Barrier Reef board members Tony Mooney and Jon Grayson accused of conflict of interest over links to mining firms - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

no wonder they don't like the ABC.

Doesn't look good. On the other hand, if the board was staffed only by Greenpeace, you wouldn't be allowed to drive so much as a dinghy anywhere near the reef.

[david s]

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Just saw the news item on the ABC. They say that it will be dumped in the conversation park 40 km from the nearest coral.
If it's any consolation, one of my favourite (there's that pesky letter "u" again) snapper drops is in the spoil grounds where the dredging spoil from the local harbour was dumped. It only takes ten or fifteen years for a dumping area to grow new vegetation...............

Here is the reason the marine Park authority went against the science they were presented with. A conflict of interest if ever there was one. Two of the 5 board members stand to gain from the development.

Great Barrier Reef board members Tony Mooney and Jon Grayson accused of conflict of interest over links to mining firms - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

no wonder they don't like the ABC.

[TropicalCoasting]

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My sister did 6 pm to 6am shift
CFA

[wotavidone]

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The fire is now in Beetaloo Valley, a nice little valley that is home to lots of small acreage "tree changers". Unfortunately a lot of them tend to build their homes right in amongst the trees.

Oldest son's girl friend has a sister who got one of those calls last night that you never want to hear. "We are going to do a burn over, I'll call when its over."

It means they pull up in the fire truck, turn on the sprays and pray the fire runs over them before they run out of water.
It's a technique they use when they can't outrun the fire.
They made it.

[wotavidone]

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Bangor fire has flared up again - 4 days after it was listed as "controlled".
Middle son got called into Maccas at 05:00 to cook 400 Egg and Bacon McMuffins for the fire fighters' breakfasts. 33 dozen eggs - he's currently asleep on the lounge room floor under the air conditioner.

[Greenman]

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“Only after the last tree has been cut down.
Only after the last river has been poisoned.
Only after the last fish has been caught.
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten.”

― Cree Indian Prophecy

[david s]

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Problem is that by the time any kind of recovery commences another load will be dumped following the annual maintenance program.......

The dredging is an issue in itself but would have less impact if the spoil were dumped ashore.

Yes but that would cost more. Yet again economics before safety or common sense. On a similar note, how come ERA got the go ahead to mine uranium right in the middle of Kakadu National Park? Since their mine has been open there have been over 200 accidents, the latest spilling over a million litres of toxic radioactive waste because a holding tank corroded. The public are being asked to trust the developers but they're unable to come up with any guarantees, just bungles and accidents. It is the taxpayer who ends up paying for their pollution decades or perhaps generations later.