Drawing programs

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Hello to all. I have checked out the fourm for a while but this is my first post. I asking for some help, I would like to know what is the best and cheapest (FREE) drawing program I can use for the design of my future WFO. I intend to make forms for refractory cement pieces like Ed Schmidt made. I enjoy working with concrete and cement. I hope I will enjoy it when I am done!! If this fails I will use the "Dmun" system. The program will help me with the proper angles and dimensions. Thanks to all.

[dmun]

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Every workable CAD program that produces dimensions is expensive, and hard to learn.

There is a free program that some have used, called sketch-up from Google, but if you need dimensioning and DXF export, it becomes expensive.

The good news is that if you want to build the 36 geodesic, the plans and dimensions are right on my oven thread, below.

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Great thanks Dmun I will give it a try.

[jcg31]

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I use Blender a fair amount (blender.org) it is a free open source 3d modeling (and animation) program that you can import any number of vector formats into. You can even import Sketch up models into Blender. I also use 3ds max a bunch - - Blender is on par with that program. There is a huge online community and a ton of tutorials out there. The interface takes some getting use to but with a little practice it is hard to go any other way.

Jim

[staestc]

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Thanks for the Blender tip Jim. I will go check it out. I have been playing with sketchup all afternoon, and am getting better at it, but always like to check out alternatives.
Travis

[Ed_]

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I also use 3ds Max (at work) and have spent some time messing with Blender too. It's worth pointing out that these are full-blown 3D modeling and animation packages meant for serious production use. As such, they tend to have a significant learning curve--more than might be justified for a single project like this one.

That being said... they're really neat things to play with, so if you're interested in 3D graphics for their own sake, go for it!

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Thanks Fellas, I see what you are saying about the learning curve. I have checked out all of the programs. I think I will be back to design build or is it design build then redesign method.

[egalecki]

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Um, I used a pencil and graph paper. We called it "autopad".

It worked to give me a better idea of scale- as far as visualizing it built goes, well, some people can't visualize and some can.

If you get it on paper the right size, though, it makes it a lot easier to figure things out.

[Frances]

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Ha ha, Elizabeth! ...I used a pencil and the back of an envelope..

But the 3-D pics are very cool, I'll admit that.

[Ed_]

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I guess I sort of failed to mention something else relevant to the original question, too. 3DS Max and Blender are not going to be much good for producing dimensioned drawings. For that you really need a CAD package--and there are lots out there. Some, like SolidWorks or Pro/Engineer, are way too expensive and beefy for a project like this. But it's possible that one of the (much) cheaper programs aimed at woodworkers and DIY construction types might be useful.

Then again, that might just lead you back to Sketchup... I dunno.

There's a lot to be said for pencils. As others have pointed out, computers are a lot more precise than brick saws, so you're almost sure to be making ad hoc cuts anyway.

[Dino_Pizza]

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I just created my oven vent and arch opening in Googles Sketchup yesterday. It took me 1-2 hours but I really learned alot about my potential oven. I do use Autocad (2D only) at work every day but learning the 3D sketchup was weird and now I'm used to it. Good luck.
-Dino

[staestc]

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Wow, very nice Dino! I am not that advanced yet, and yes it is weird getting used to the 3D aspect. Every structure I have ever designed as been multiple 2D views.

Maybe it is just me, but everytime I look at a .jpg export from SketchUp my first inclination is to rotate it to look at other views!

Travis

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Nice Job Dino! I must have other issues with my computer. I am able to use SketchUp for about 45 min and my screen goes white, then I have to delete the program and reload it. I will get this to work. Thanks for all the help.