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  • jbaker
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    Minor Progress over last weekend

    Some of the platform pour floor is in, steel just laid over the top to see if we have enough. Still deciding if we'll be pouring a ledge over the front etc before the outside form gets built. Bricks stacked in front to get the visual.

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  • jbaker
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Originally posted by Neil2 View Post
    You don't need the sonotuble below the visible part. Unless the hole is caving in on you, just can just fill it directly with concrete.
    Are you in the right thread sir? I'm not sure if we were asking / talking / mesmerizing about sonotubles......

    But of course you are welcome here. We all are. 'Cuz we're cool like that.

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  • Neil2
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    You don't need the sonotuble below the visible part. Unless the hole is caving in on you, just can just fill it directly with concrete.

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  • jbaker
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Seems we're limited to 4 images per post? Here's the fifth:




    The slab made it through the winter. I was able to lay the cement blocks without having to do any leveling. Either I placed the form correctly last year, or the gods were kind to me and made the needed adjustments over the past 6 months.

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  • jbaker
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    We dug deep....about 22". Filled with trap (?) rock, compacted. Drainage pipe in at about 12" down or so. Rock came up to about ground level.






    Then the pour....this was last year, in the fall.

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  • Ken524
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Looks good! How did you decide to do the foundation?

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  • jbaker
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    My death has been greatly exaggerated...

    Though I've not been heard from for over a year that doesn't mean I went away. Here's a shot from this weekend. This thing may actually get completed within the next twenty years or so.

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  • jbaker
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Originally posted by krosskraft View Post
    Why do they want the oven so far from the house?
    The owner wants to create another living area in the yard. He has plans for a pergola in the general area also, possibly gardens. I understand how he's imagining it, but I too think it's a mistake to put it so far away. It will limit the use of it after the initial newness wears off.

    Maybe the water situation is actually a good thing. Gives us time to rethink.

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  • RTflorida
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    I would agree with the distance, this isn't a firepit where all will be sitting around chit chatting for hours - long way to haul good eats.
    Sorry I can't help with the foundation. In FL we can pour a slab right on the ground (over a few inches of gravel or course). I grew up in northern Ohio with a 36" frostline but never experienced water problems nearly as bad as yours; just a minor basement leak or two and never any water issues in building many decks and fences where we had to dig down the 36".

    What happened to UNO, our resident concrete/foundation expert? He would certainly have a viable answer.

    RT

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  • asudavew
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Originally posted by krosskraft View Post
    Why do they want the oven so far from the house? That is a lot of steps to take pizza fixins, meat or bread back and forth from the prep site. I just want to make sure you think of that...
    I must agree.... Closer is
    better.

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  • krosskraft
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Why do they want the oven so far from the house? That is a lot of steps to take pizza fixins, meat or bread back and forth from the prep site. I just want to make sure you think of that.....I know nothing about foundations, etc.

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  • gjbingham
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Don't sweat the little stuff. There's a few procedural errors and typos in the plans. Adjust and modify for your needs. Read them, then re-read them. They make sense and you will find the errors. This is not rocket science. Simple math will get you through. If you have a serious question that worries you, ask and you will be answered.

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  • mfiore
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Originally posted by jbaker View Post
    I've been going by the plans I downloaded off this site. Here's a cut and paste of the materials list for the Pompeii:
    I see what you are referring too. On page 13, the foundation size is listed as 77" x 86". There seems to be a discrepancy. James?

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  • jbaker
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    Originally posted by Xabia Jim View Post
    While the tower was closed, the bells were removed to relieve some weight, and cables were cinched around the third level and anchored several hundred meters away.
    Yikes. I'm thinking we should wait until the groundwater subsides, then dig the holes and sonotube it. Quite a bit cheaper than the cost of 300 meters of cable, and less stress on the neighbors.

    I think I'm going to recommend we start stockpiling the needed materials, wait until the water drops, maybe do the holes around July 4th (the owner of the land where this is going wanted to have it in by then. Insert another smiley face <here>). He usually has lots of family visit over that week, extra hands mixing the concrete wouldn't be a bad thing.

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  • Xabia Jim
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    Re: Started digging, stopped digging. Water problems.

    Somewhere I've got pictures from when they straightened the Leaning Tower of Pizza ....er, no, that's near Detroit at Dominoes Farm.....yeah, the Leaning Tower of Pisa in Italy...right!

    They dug down, put a collar on the tower and stacked lead weights on the upslope side.....actually brought it back from leaning too far over. (there is surely more to that but it was quite an engineering job)

    Good old Wikipedia Leaning Tower of Pisa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On 7 January 1990, after over two decades of work on the subject, the tower was closed to the public. While the tower was closed, the bells were removed to relieve some weight, and cables were cinched around the third level and anchored several hundred meters away. Apartments and houses in the path of the tower were vacated for safety. The final solution to prevent the collapse of the tower was to slightly straighten the tower to a safer angle, by removing 38 m3 of soil from underneath the raised end. Through this, the tower was straightened by 18 inches (45 centimeters), returning to the exact position that it occupied in 1838. After a decade of corrective reconstruction and stabilization efforts, the tower was reopened to the public on December 15, 2001, and has been declared stable for at least another 300 years

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