Self Sufficient - Ingredients

[trockyh]

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I picked up this stone grinder from a brewer. It ground the grains too fine so it wasn't good for his brewing. Works great for me.
It's called the Lady Bug Home Stone Grinder. It was made in So. Calif. but they must have gone out of business as I haven't been able to find them.

Tom

[heliman]

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Sounds amazing Tom ...

What do you use to grind the dry spouts?

/Rossco

[trockyh]

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I just started grinding my own berries with a stone grinder. In fact just yesterday I was looking into growing my own wheat. Just a small patch to see how it goes.
The Kaiser roll recipe on FB calls for Diastatic malted barley powder. I was not able to find any local. Did some research and found that sprouting barley or wheat berries, activated the enzymes needed to convert the starch to sugar for the yeast to feed on.
You then dry the sprouted grains and then grind them.
I find it interesting and fun working to become self sufficient. We grow most of our veges, raise chickens for eggs and meat. Hope to have a cow for dairy and fertilizer, but have to wait till I can be home full time.
Fun thread,
Tom

[heliman]

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No problem Wiley (I was confused there for a minute!!).

Have you got some more details on the milling process - really interesting to find out what is involved before it hits the supermarket shelf...

Rossco

[Wiley]

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Rossco,
I was wrong in what I stated about flours and have edited out my mistake.

I grind my own wheat berries and consider mself at the low end of the learning curve in understanding what is going on in a dough mixture. Grinding is not such a big deal, one buys the machine and has at it. Having your own machine allows one to experiment a bit more with different grains, blending etc.

As for growing my own wheat, what with the set-up equipment etc. I will leave that to the "Pros" who are trying to make a living at it. Especially as I can buy Wheat Montana wheat berries at Walmart for almost the same price Wheat Montana is asking online and save shipping.

Bests,
Wiley

[heliman]

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I thought pizza flour was pretty high (around 12% protein)...??

Why I was asking about the "full package" of growing through to grinding and ultimately using the flour because some members in another thread said they were grinding their own flour. I seem to recall someone even posted a pic of the machine they were using. The natural progression to that was to actually grow the grain too. This would probably only be on a hobby farm scale - just for the experience. To me that would be the ultimate in self sufficiency...

/Rossco

[Wiley]

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Rossco,
As you know there is a significant difference in protein content between the wheat used in making flours that are considered good for pizza and those flours that are considered good for bread. I'm not an expert but I am am under the impression that the type of wheat that thrives in an region is dependent upon soil and more importantly climate.

The amount of work required for the result (bang for the buck) would IMHO place such a person in a league of their own. I mean a private vineyard I can relate to, a private wheat field simply doesn't hold the same panache. Growing one's own wheat would more likely fit one into the "survivalist" category. I would expect someone doing that would want the most protein for effort expended.

Bests,
Wiley

[heliman]

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Seems like the weak link here is Flour...

Anyone grow their own grain, mill, make pizzas???

/Rossco

[heliman]

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Looks like most people have got quite a lot of home grown stuff - Jay, I had to dive online to check what some of your items were!!!

Interesting take on the definition Wiley - you have taken the notion of self sufficiency to a whole new level with generators etc!!

Rossco

[egalecki]

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I love me some bluegill. Lots of little bones, but they taste so good! I used to catch them using niblets and bread balls off the dock where we kept the sailboat. Mom would fry them up with a cornmeal coating and we'd all sort of pick them up and work our way through them with our fingers.... (saves choking on the bones, you see)
Brings back memories for me-

[Wiley]

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Right you are, Jay.
We live in "the upper left hand corner" as Sandy Bradley used to say on NPR when she had her show in Seattle.
Bests,
Wiley

[texassourdough]

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Well, Wiley!

I like blueberries too and I would have to create the soil to grow them in. The Charentais melon is simply one of the most divine cantalopes that exist. We don't get a lot of them - our weather seems to be too dry, and the critters LOVE them so we have a bit of premature competition. But the ones we do get are heavenly!

Sounds like you are in pretty good shape up there! I assume you are in Western Washington?

Thanks!
Jay

[Wiley]

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Self sufficient really means alot of different things to different people. Like Jay our fresh ingredients are season dependent. We usually put in a good sized garden (actually have two one steps away from the back door and one a couple hundred feet away thru the woods and orchard). We have scaled way back from canning although have maintained the wherewithal to can as well as dry food stuffs.

But self sufficiency on a larger scale:

It is not unknown for power to go out so many where I live also have back up generators. In my case it is diesel. We are on wells or collection systems although city water was recently brought on island. I can grind my own wheat berries and at present have over 250 lbs at hand and properly stored (Wheat Montana products). I have yet to create a completely whole wheat pizza that I can give a thumbs up to but have done so for bread. Once upon a time they grew winter wheat locally and several farmers are once again doing so for the local artisan bakers.

I live on a small island and within walking distance is a small home business goat creamery, as well as a start up winery (this is only 1000ft away from my back door). A neighbor also produces for cattle and keeps cows as usual for rural areas many keep ducks or chickens and have fresh eggs for sale. We have kept ducks and geese in the past. Most of us presently or in the past have made home brew. One friend actually did the whole deal, grew hops barley (which he malted etc.) and literally made his own brew from scratch just to prove he could do so.

I used to commercial fish and although retired I kept both the nets and a small rowable boat for setting them from a "terminal fishery" I used to fish. We have reasonable salmon runs both in the spring and fall by the island. No license at present but should the need warrant such would probably not be checked. I am putting in a pond and plan on raising the blue gill/bass combination common during the US Depression of the 30's both for fun and for the fish.

Of course we grow enough wood for both heating our home as well as the WFO. We collect rainwater and have storage for over 5000 gallons of potable water at hand. This was originally for fire protection but when water came on island I paid to have a hydrant installed at the corner of my property.

Several homes have solar arrays in order to be off the grid, ours is rudamentary but could supply lights and basic entertainment for much of the year.

Cooking oil is long term problematic but so is diesel but other than those and a few other things the island as a whole is fairly self sufficient. We also have a couple/three doctors and two dentists. Should there be major calamity or civilization changing event we would be reduced to live closer to the way people lived in the mid to late 1800's.

So I guess we are somewhat self-sufficient. The only store on island sells tee shirts calling us "A small Island Nation located off the coast of Western North America".

Bests,
Wiley

Jay, I'm jealous of the Charentais, we had them when we visited friends in the Charente and loved them. We brought back seeds and tried them but they prefer basic soil and ours is acidic so they did not do well. However, on the flip side our blueberries love our acidic soil:-)

[BrianShaw]

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I'm jealous. "Self-sufficient" for me means that I drive to Trader Joe's (a US-based discount gourmet market) myself rather than asking my wife to go get ingredients.

But I do have lemons (meyer), oranges, rosemary, thyme, oregeno, lavender, dill, garlic, snails, and crabgrass if I want to go native.

[texassourdough]

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Depends on the season, but...

ALL THE TIME
Oregano
Marjoram
Thyme
Rosemary


SEASONAL
Parsley
Basil
Cilantro
Lemons
Oranges
Wine Grapes
Figs
Peaches
Pears
Artichokes
Asparagus
Beans of multiple varieties
Beets
Eggplant
Lettuce
Melons of multiple varieties (inclding Boule d'Or and Charentais)
Okra
Peppers
Strawberries
Tomatoes (five or six varieties)
Winter Squash
Yellow Squash
Zuchini

And almost everything has found itself on a pizza!
Jay