What is your oven worth

[Bacterium]

Re: What is your oven worth

interesting comments RT and Acoma

One of my neighbours made a similar comment when I was building mine.....as it turns out he hasn't been over for pizza yet

Another story....
Last weekend I had one of my youngest son's first birthday party - I cooked up quite a few pizzas, experimented a lot and came up with my best results to date. Anyway my 5 year olds friend (who is about 6) was over at the party and he was really getting into the pizzas (eating more than the others). Well his family had elcheapo take out pizza the other night (3 days after party) and the lad said (when they were eating it) - "I really don't like these pizzas - they are no where near as good as Damon's"

As you can imagine - I was pretty happy to hear that and word is spreading.

His mum made the birthday cake (the best chocolate mud cake out) so I made sure she went home with a loaf of freshly baked (brick oven) bread that day.......Any way you are right - Once people have had the "experience" around a wood fired oven they truly understand what words can't achieve.

While I am ranting......my father in law is a real estate agent - he now knows the value of a brick oven

[Acoma]

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Agreed. Ask her what is most important to her in the back yard. If some of your friends were to destroy it, then watch her with humor as it is rebuilt, would she also favor their presence again? If she says yes, then wow...if she says no, then she might appreciate those views, then realize not all neighbors are equal. Heck, families don't even treat each other as equal...

[RTflorida]

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Acoma,
your last statement speaks volumes. I have a couple of neighbors who thought I was crazy and actually made smart ass comments a couple of times during the building process (usually when I was busting my butt lugging bricks or concrete). My wife just doesn't get it when I refuse to invite them over for pizza; she thinks all of our neighbors should be treated equally.....all are welcome.
To me, they are not deserving......no one appreciates a smart ass, especially when your already getting your butt kicked by the oven build.

[Acoma]

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I am probably late in the game to this conversation, but I figure that the people that we (us to forum) surround ourselves with, invite to our home, and appreciate the QUALITY of our belongings, can appreciate our hard work. This is especially true when we explain it as a process of love, and share the benifits with them. Some of you show the concern of the oven and its benifits to buyers. I would say that if you want to promote the awesome oven, do a pre open house pizza party with the Realty team that you go with so that they will share all the praises to their buyers, which could create the respect you deserve. If someone cannot respect the hard work of building one, then they don't deserve the opportunity to share in the fun....

[Bacterium]

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Damon, don't sell yourself short on the labor. Based on the many terrific ovens on FB; I would put the split at 75% labor & 25% materials. A quality mason will make big $$$$ building one of our ovens......and earn every penny of it.

RT

yeah..... I suppose I qualify as "experienced" now

[edschmidt]

Re: What is your oven worth

I remember reading that one mason was charging 4k to build just the inner chamber of the oven. This was the labor price only and did not include any materials or base/slab/finish. You also have to pay his transportation and lodging fees. I think 10K would be a bargain depending on finish, I could cinder block and skincoat/stucco the whole thing in a very short period of time but as they say "god is in the details"

[RTflorida]

Re: What is your oven worth

Damon, don't sell yourself short on the labor. Based on the many terrific ovens on FB; I would put the split at 75% labor & 25% materials. A quality mason will make big $$$$ building one of our ovens......and earn every penny of it.

RT

[RTflorida]

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Neill, Thats exactly how I feel. And they can keep ordering their baked cardboard topped with fake cheese...no invites to my pizza parties.

[Bacterium]

Re: What is your oven worth

I suppose thats the trick, building an oven "fits in" with the general theme of your home/property. BUT there will always be someone who doesn't appreaciate an oven though (until they actually have one).

There are some really great ovens on here, hence the $$$$ spent. Mine is at the cheaper end also. Currently my costs are approx. AUS$600...completely finished it will be under AUS$1000. Bearing in mind I already had 99% of the tools, sourced all bricks for AUS$20 (used red bricks) and have a simpler exposed dome kind of style (insulatation included though).
my point.... if you are one of those people reading this, that doesn't quite have the $$$$ to build one of the great FB ovens.....you can achieve an oven on a limited budget, under some circumstances and with some limitations.


$$$$$ on labour.......now thats a different thing, what do people think on materials/labour ratio:
65% labour cost
35% materials cost

[nissanneill]

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Hi RTflorida,
doesn't that really get you with people who look at your house and the assets that go with it and don't place any value at all on them.
We put our house on the market some years ago and some of the comments, "Oh it's got a fully tiled swimming pool, I guesss that's a bonus" was enought to put them out. They have absolutely no idea of costs and effort to achieve these benefits, even if we see them as needed for whatever reason.
Unfortunately, my oven is built in to stay but if and when we sell or move (that is if one of our kids don't want the house) the oven and outdoor entertaining area will be an all year round asset that will blow the prospective buyer away, if not then, they can go fly!

Neill

[RTflorida]

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In my talking with many people about my oven, initially it seems everyone would like to have one (or at the very least, the pizza that comes from one) but after hearing of the potential costs or labor (building it themselves), most are not further interested. I guess that is right in line with your potential home buyers - they are not interested in paying extra for your oven.

I'm not surprised by everyone's interest in my oven or in their wanting invited over for pizza (there is not a 'real' pizza within 10 miles of my house). Nothing but Dominos, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, and the nastiest - Hungry Howies.
What does surprise me is the lack of value they perceive an oven to have; including non monetary. I guess the vast majority of people have become so acustomed to dialing the phone and having it delivered that convenience is what they value the most. Shame, they don't know what they are missing.

[maver]

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I offered my oven with my house for $4000 figuring that would allow me to build a new one and use help to speed up the process for some of the steps. Non-enthusiasts (2 prospective house buyers) refused that price, so instead I am moving my oven to my new house. Of course, that's very different than the price to build new for someone who wants one.

[nissanneill]

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I did mine really on the cheap with second hand bricks, poor man's mortar, scrap (existing) materials for vent, chimney, lights and theromcouples, but it will cost me in the vacinity of Aus$1400 -1500 and that is without a stand as it is built on a retaining wall and cut into the hill.
My son-in-law and prospective son-in-law have already put their orders in for one each but theirs will cost considerably more as we will need to make a base and source more cheaper fire bricks. Always looking for a bargain!

Neill

[JoeT62]

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It looks like ours will run into the $1000 range for just the oven. I am also building a grill, tandoor, and flagstone patio so that will definitely get me above 2K.

As for what it is "worth?"

I think a basic install of a custom brick oven would be in the 10K range. Just guessing, of course.

[james]

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Drew,

This sounds like one of those accounting problems where one business unit moves their costs into another business unit. I think your wife is overburndening your oven with her custom bathroom fixtures. :-)
James