First rough draft oven design - Want comments

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

Look at Brickie's new oven, that is similar to how I will build my next one.

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

I am sure he doesn't mind. That is a standard vault design, generally called a Tudor arch, or in his case a doubled Tudor arch.

FB plans are only for the Pompei, I meant for how to build the base, hearth, insulation, not the actual design of the dome.

[Faith In Virginia]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

I never saw the vault plans from FB where would you find them? I do agree with the faults in parts of the AS plans.

I'm also interested in why you thought the structure of Craig's plan were sound. Both vault and dome ovens have multiple keystones. Craig's plans has one keystone and the corners are a sheer vertical line that does not add any support.

What are your thoughts on specifics? perhaps we should start a new thread for this discussion?

Faith

[clofgreen]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

There is a lot wrong with the AS plans. Even if you build a low arch oven, the FB plans are far superior in regards to general construction and insulation.

I just did a search and it looks like you built a kind of vault oven but it doesn't look like the AS variety. If I decide to build a vault and it's looking more and more like that's what I'll do, could you give me some advice on what you learned from your build?

Craig

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

There is a lot wrong with the AS plans. Even if you build a low arch oven, the FB plans are far superior in regards to general construction and insulation.

[Faith In Virginia]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

Yes I think the Vault oven is the way to go for the easy build. It is also a proven oven design. I know for a fact that the vault oven has a very limited amount of cuts as well as they are all simple straight cuts. Allen Scott has a good oven plan for the oven itself. I will say I don't care much for the way he supports the oven on re-bar and the vermiculite/Portland layer. But the oven plans are good and easy.

Good luck and most important ...Have Fun!
Keep us updated on your build,
Faith

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

"I don't want cool. I want easy to build, few cuts, low cost and cooked bread. "

Then run the hell away from your design, and do a simple low vault.

[clofgreen]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

Did some more thinking about this... To lace those corners would be a nightmare for even an experienced oven builder.

Yeah, just analyzed the 3D model. Nightmare to say the least. Lots of small detailed cuts. I'm leaning toward a vault design unless Tscarborough can convince me that what the others have said about the structural integrity is wrong.

Some have said that this is a cool design. I don't want cool. I want easy to build, few cuts, low cost and cooked bread. I'm trying the best I can to use recycled materials. My conc. blocks are 50 cents (they bought one pallet too many), the tapered firebricks were 35 cents, the large ones were 50 cents (from a steel mill). I found some cheap metal studs at a construction site. Do you see a pattern here?

I just talked to a local guy who built a vault oven based on Tscarborough's construction photos using similar bricks he got at the steel mill here. He is very happy with his oven saying he fed the entire high school soccer team pizza cooked in his vault. Maybe I'll chicken out and go with a vault. Will be a whole lot easier.

Craig

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

There is no way or need to tooth the corners.

[Faith In Virginia]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

Did some more thinking about this... To lace those corners would be a nightmare for even an experienced oven builder.

[dmun]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

I think I will be able to tie the corners.

If you can do this, I say go for it. I think it's a way cool design.

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

But if you want to do it just to do it, I say go for it. It is structurally sound, even with the heating and contracting of an oven. It will require more buttressing than any other arch though. After all, I built my oven because I wanted to build an arch, not the other way around, so I understand where you are coming from.

[Tscarborough]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

A simple low dome arch will work just as well, if not better and will require NO cuts (well, a few halves if you make it running bond).

[Faith In Virginia]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

First off shooting flies with a shotgun ='s over kill

I think you have a cool looking oven and you may reduce your cuts with this design but all your corners will be a compound cut that will require great precision. As far as heating and cooking I don't think you will notice a difference from other ovens as long as you follow the normal ratios for door height to dome height and such. I do have issue with the structure as a standalone structure. So I believe you will have structural failure. I believe with the heating and cooling of that oven each side will have a tendency to snap in the middle even with lacing the corners. If you are really wanting your oven like this I would suggest to buttress the lower half of your sides with 3 or 4" of concrete. Refer to the Allen Scott design of the vault oven.

So in the end no matter what your final design is after insulation and a protective stucco the coolness of the shape would be lost on the exterior and not many people stick their heads inside the oven to look at the interior. Most people look at the food coming from opening.

Just my thoughts , Faith

[Tman1]

Re: First rough draft oven design - Want comments

I think Tscarborough's comments mean that while it will work, it's way overkill (or at least that's what I was thinking when I read it). An Allan Scott style vault would give you plenty of heat and have far less cutting than what your displaying here. A domed oven might have more cuts, but they would be far simpler (angled, but straight) whereas the cuts for this type of dome would be a double angle which I don't think would be easier, and I don't think you've save as much as you think.

But it'll be interesting if you try- just make sure you post pics of the build to inform us all.