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    Hello to everyone. My name is Eugene and I have been lurking for a week or so just looking and reading and I can tell this is my type of crowd. First I must say it is just wonderful to see the respectful camaraderie shared here! A welcome tribute to mankinds true nature.
    My recent move back to the mountains of pennsylvania prompted my research for a method to heat the pool water up to florida levels and thus the wood heater/maine heater site on thru the panyol oven search finally finding a realistic solution to all my wants and needs, here!
    Due to the season at hand I hope to get a slab down before the temp gets too low. I look foward to joining the fun here with a intent of a pompeii oven/outdoor kitchen as well as the 30,000 gal pool heater!

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    Re: The Pocono Plan!

    Hi Eugene and welcome aboard,
    it looks like you are well are of the way this forum works. There are plent of members more than willing to offer assitance and advice.
    Sound like you have a fair sort of work ahead of you.
    How are you planning on heating your water, from your oven or a separate wood fired heater?
    Are you planning on heating your pool?
    How cold does it get up your way?
    (from someone who is not familiar with the US climate).


    Neill
    Prevention is better than cure, - do it right the first time!

    The more I learn, the more I realise how little I know


    Neillís Pompeiii #1
    http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/n...-1-a-2005.html
    Neillís kitchen underway
    http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f35/...rway-4591.html

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      Originally posted by nissanneill View Post
      Hi Eugene and welcome aboard,
      it looks like you are well are of the way this forum works. There are plent of members more than willing to offer assitance and advice.
      Sound like you have a fair sort of work ahead of you.
      How are you planning on heating your water, from your oven or a separate wood fired heater?
      Are you planning on heating your pool?
      How cold does it get up your way?
      (from someone who is not familiar with the US climate).


      Neill
      Hello Neill and thanks for the welcome. I plan to heat the water in a separate wood fired masonary heater with a stainless heat exchanger i will design and fabricate. I have a endless supply of wood,mostly all hardwood and after analyzing the expense and btu exchange of propane pool heaters its a no brainer. The outdoor kitchen will be an extension of the concrete pool deck so i think the pool/pizza parties will be many! Mid january typically sees -25F yet summer temps(june,july,aug) dont go over 90. The water never gets much over 72F. My property has a endless supply of feild stone that was stacked on stone walls indicating old property lines in past centuries and thus the raw materials for the finishing surface and the mass for the heater.
      As a top member of the "overdoers ananamous" club I was wondering if there is benefit to increasing the thickness of the oven floor hearth insulating layer from 4" to 8" ? I studied civil engineering in university and always overdesign.

      Gene

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        Originally posted by mastergene View Post
        As a top member of the "overdoers ananamous" club I was wondering if there is benefit to increasing the thickness of the oven floor hearth insulating layer from 4" to 8" ? I studied civil engineering in university and always overdesign.
        Gene
        Well it sure wouldn't hurt. Everyone always says, "insulate, insulate, insulate!!"


        That being said, I don't know if the benefits outweigh the costs. I.E. overkill..

        But there are many others around here who are much more experienced and knowledgeable than me. And I'm pretty sure they will be happy to weigh in on this issue.


        So... anyways

        Nice to have you on board. It will be fun watching your project, both oven and especially this pool heater gizmo.
        Take lots of pics.
        My thread:
        http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/d...ress-2476.html
        My costs:
        http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...Xr0fvgxuh4s7Hw
        My pics:
        http://picasaweb.google.com/dawatsonator

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          Originally posted by mastergene View Post
          ...
          As a top member of the "overdoers ananamous" club I was wondering if there is benefit to increasing the thickness of the oven floor hearth insulating layer from 4" to 8" ? I studied civil engineering in university and always overdesign.

          Gene
          Hi!

          Um, wouldn't that increase the need for insulating the hearth? I mean, that extra mass would just make the hearth a bigger heat sink, wouldn't it?

          Oh, and on the pool, are you considering saline? I sooo want to try that (if I ever a) get property and b) get anything built! ). They say it's a lot more comfortable than chlorine and easier to maintain, too.
          "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

          "Success isn't permanent and failure isn't fatal." -Mike Ditka
          [/CENTER]

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            Originally posted by Archena View Post
            Um, wouldn't that increase the need for insulating the hearth? I mean, that extra mass would just make the hearth a bigger heat sink, wouldn't it?
            I thought that at first too, but I think he is talking specifically about the insulating layer.
            My thread:
            http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/d...ress-2476.html
            My costs:
            http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...Xr0fvgxuh4s7Hw
            My pics:
            http://picasaweb.google.com/dawatsonator

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              Ah, okay. In that case, I like the idea I'd rather heat the oven and not the wood storage underneath.
              "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

              "Success isn't permanent and failure isn't fatal." -Mike Ditka
              [/CENTER]

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                Hi there, Thanks for the insight's. The mass of the different cooking/heating units wont be shared. The pool is existing and currently clorine yet next season I think bromine will be the choice. I am not aware of the saline type yet pictures of me fishing in the pool come to mind when I think of it!! I poured 90 yds of 4500psi concrete 6"min to 12" at my shop and the extra cost was $300 on a $13K job so it dosn't cost much more to go first class!

                I will take pics for sure as it develops!.

                Gene

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                  Re: The Pocono Plan!

                  Cool.

                  Actually, the salinity is well below that of the ocean. It's high enough to prevent algae/bacteria growth, however.

                  Anyway, best wishes on your projects.
                  "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

                  "Success isn't permanent and failure isn't fatal." -Mike Ditka
                  [/CENTER]

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                    I can't wait to hear more about your wood heated pool as you move forward. We have a friend who has a wood heated hot tub. I haven't seen it yet.

                    I love the Poconoes. That's where my family vacationed (camped) when I was a kid. Also, my husband and I met there. I lived in Bucks County, 2 hours from the Poconoes.

                    Good luck with your projects. Karen

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                      Thanks for all the well wish's. It is beautiful here in the poconos for sure. Our Indian Summer is leaving us this week and the cold is on the way. I will look into the saline system reguarding the filter system. It sounds neat. With the saline in it I wont have to worry about boiling the water by to much heat from my wood system! salt raises the BP!!
                      Gene

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                        Re: The Pocono Plan!

                        Someone else posted this a while back - you might like it: Redneck Pool Heater



                        Saline system: (can't find the one I wanted... ) Saline Pool Systems - Salt water, 'natural' chlorination for any water. Never use 'pool chlorine' again! Free SYSTEM DESIGNER, quotes.
                        "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

                        "Success isn't permanent and failure isn't fatal." -Mike Ditka
                        [/CENTER]

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                          Originally posted by mastergene View Post
                          <snip> I was wondering if there is benefit to increasing the thickness of the oven floor hearth insulating layer from 4" to 8" ? I studied civil engineering in university and always overdesign. <snip>
                          To help in the decision making process, consider this. My FB Casa110 oven floor sits on a 2 inch layer of SuperIsol board. That sits on a sheet of 1/2 inch cement board.

                          The other day, after firing the oven to a smokin" 900 F in the dome, the underside of the cement board measured 140 F. While more insulation may drop that some; depending on the method of insulation, it may not add enough value.

                          J W

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                            Re: The Pocono Plan!

                            Originally posted by Archena View Post
                            Someone else posted this a while back - you might like it: Redneck Pool Heater



                            Saline system: (can't find the one I wanted... ) Saline Pool Systems - Salt water, 'natural' chlorination for any water. Never use 'pool chlorine' again! Free SYSTEM DESIGNER, quotes.
                            The pool heater is priceless . Amazing his dad had it figured just right!
                            Thanks for the saline link I have info coming now!!
                            Gene

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                              Originally posted by jwnorris View Post
                              To help in the decision making process, consider this. My FB Casa110 oven floor sits on a 2 inch layer of SuperIsol board. That sits on a sheet of 1/2 inch cement board.

                              The other day, after firing the oven to a smokin" 900 F in the dome, the underside of the cement board measured 140 F. While more insulation may drop that some; depending on the method of insulation, it may not add enough value.

                              J W
                              That sounds insulated quite sufficiently! I wonder what the cooking floor temp was at that time? was it also 900?
                              Gene

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