Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

[n8huntsman]

I was able to break ground this weekend on my outdoor kitchen. Here are a couple pics:

[n8huntsman]

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[boerwarrior]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

Looking good!!

I assume that the base for the pizza oven will be built straight on the ground with the deck surrounding it? It's going to be too heavy to be built directly on the deck.

Good luck! Will follow your thread!

[n8huntsman]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

Yes, the foundation of the oven will be concrete. The deck is build on 2x6 joists so the foundation should be just about flush with the top of the deck.

[boerwarrior]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

Perfect! If you are going to keep your oven on the small side, mine is a 32 inch Pompeii and I have about the smallest possible base size you can get away with for this size oven. So take a look at my build if you are interested:

http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/3...nia-19283.html

[WJW]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

With respect to construction of the base....I would STRONGLY suggest that you don't build your stand so that the wood storage is below the oven opening. I built mine that way (like almost everyone else) and really really dislike that aspect of the FB design for the stand.

I think it is no good for two reasons:
1. The space is so large under the oven that most of it is essentially unusable. Who wants to crawl five feet back into a spider infested cave to grab a piece of firewood?

2. Every time you rake coals out of the oven a few hot embers fall into the stored wood. no bueno.

A far better design in my opinion would be to make the stand into a sideways "H" ....(or any number of other possible configurations that would make a lot more sense than to have one small opening used to access a cavernous space.) That way you'd have smaller storage area on each side of the oven and wouldn't be dropping coals on to the wood storage.

Bill

[Gulf]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

With respect to construction of the base....I would STRONGLY suggest that you don't build your stand so that the wood storage is below the oven opening. I built mine that way (like almost everyone else) and really really dislike that aspect of the FB design for the stand.

I think it is no good for two reasons:
1. The space is so large under the oven that most of it is essentially unusable. Who wants to crawl five feet back into a spider infested cave to grab a piece of firewood?

2. Every time you rake coals out of the oven a few hot embers fall into the stored wood. no bueno.

A far better design in my opinion would be to make the stand into a sideways "H" ....(or any number of other possible configurations that would make a lot more sense than to have one small opening used to access a cavernous space.) That way you'd have smaller storage area on each side of the oven and wouldn't be dropping coals on to the wood storage.

Bill

Very good advice Bill!

There are plenty of great "alternatives" for the wood storage area that have been installed by users on this site that are not covered in the FB plans

[n8huntsman]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

Very valid. Unfortunately with my design being in the corner of my yard, the opening must be on the same side as the oven opening. Maybe Ill build some sort of cart that can be pulled out so that I don't have to crawl in for the wood. I hate spiders.

[Greenman]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

That is a bit of irony. In this land the Huntsman is a common house spider, no danger to anything other than other insects and is well liked and tolerated by many people.

Everyone loves a huntsman!

[boerwarrior]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

With all respect to Bill and Gulf,

my wood storage area is directly under my oven and I have had no issues. I generally only rake my ash long after the embers are cold, and I have had no issues reaching down and back for wood.

However I am still in my early 50's. Maybe when I am in my 60's I will feel differently about crawling under there!

Neil

[n8huntsman]

Few more links for calculations

Acceptable deflection and bending calcs DEFLECTION
BEAM DEFLECTION CALCS


BOTH OF THE ABOVE PDF’S ARE ATTACHED IN CASE THE LINKS DIE.

[SableSprings]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

Very valid. Unfortunately with my design being in the corner of my yard, the opening must be on the same side as the oven opening. Maybe Ill build some sort of cart that can be pulled out so that I don't have to crawl in for the wood. I hate spiders.

Check with your local Community College and see if they have a welding program. I had my carts custom built for bays in my corner install...works like a charm, and they only charged me for cost of materials. I use the left side for prep & serving materials and the right side for wood storage (bottom)/serving (top).

Being able to roll the carts in/out makes cleanup a breeze and lets me customize my counter space as needed.

[n8huntsman]

Final Pizza Oven Layout.... hopefully

Finally got the ground leveled and footers for the roof dug. It’s now time to set the forms for the oven foundation so I need to finalize the base design.
I struggled to come up with a way to do 45? angles with the block base of the oven. The only way I could do it left a seem where the blocks wouldn’t be tied together from one course to the next. I found some radiused block that I was able to make work but it made the base slightly smaller than I had hoped. This new design gives me about 6″ overhang all around. I think this will be okay because I’ll be using rebar in the hearth and the weight from the dome is now positioned almost directly on top of the walls. This will also give me room for the possibility of stone veneer on the face of the block.
Anybody have any thought on why this wont work?

[Greenman]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

That should work fine. My preference is for a bit of workspace in front of the oven tunnel but that is a personal thing. The radiused block is a good idea.

[n8huntsman]

Re: Outdoor Kitchen/Bar and Pompeii WFO Build in Southern California

I'd prefer some work room in front as well but the overall kitchen design just doesn't allow it. There will be plenty of room off to the right side of the oven though...