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  • herridea
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    Re: Oven Curing

    Originally posted by james View Post
    Curing your oven is an important step in the installation of any brick oven -- whether it is a Forno Bravo precast oven, a Forno Bravo Artigiano brick oven, or a Pompeii brick oven. Heating up your oven too fast can lead to cracks. You have invested a great deal of time, money and energy in your oven, so go slow, and cure your oven properly. If at all possible, don't schedule a pizza party the weekend your dome is finished.

    After you have installed your oven, there is still a great deal of moisture in the mortars, hearth concrete, vermiculite, and the oven chamber and vent themselves. Each of these oven components was recently produced using an air-drying, water-based process. Simply letting the oven stand for a week does very little to "cure" the moisture out of them oven. In fact, the Forno Bravo precast oven producer recommends letting the oven stand for a week after it has been assmebled before "starting" the curing process. Thicker sections of concrete can take many weeks to cure.

    You are trying to avoid two problems. First, any mortar or concrete that dries too fast shrinks and cracks. These cracks can let hot air and/or smoke escape from the oven chamber. Second, if you bring your oven up to heat while there is still sufficient moisture in the oven dome or mortars, you will actually create steam, which can produce hairline fractures, or even cracks in your oven. I heard a story (possibly an urban legend) from one of our installers who used to work with one of our competitor's ovens, where the home owner lit such a large fire in a non-cured oven that a chunck of the oven dome actually blew out the front door. Hmmm. Maybe.

    Also, using a space heater can help, but only so far. It is not an alternative to fire curing. We ran a space heater in an assembled Forno Bravo precast oven for two days, then quickly heated the oven up, (don't do this at home -- it was an experiement to see what would happen to an oven that we have here) and we found that we created a very large amount of steam from the oven, mortars and vermiculite, which went on for hours and hours.

    To be safe, here is a good curing schedule.

    1. Let the oven sit for a week or so after you have finished the dome.
    2. Run a series of seven fires, starting with a small, newspaper-only fire.
    3. Increase the size of the fire each day by about 100F
    200F
    300F
    400F
    500F
    600F
    700F
    800F
    4. Let the oven fall back to cool as soon as you reach the temperature you want. It is important to bring the oven up to heat gently, then back down to cold, each time.
    5. If you don't have an infrared thermometer, try this schedule:
    Newspaper only
    Newspaper and a little kindling
    1 stick of 2"x3"X16" wood
    2 sticks of wood
    3 sticks of wood
    4 sticks of wood
    5 sticks of wood

    James
    Hi James,
    Should I cure before covering the dome in vermiculite or after?

    I would like to cure after to ensure that I cover the blanket from the elements?
    Thanks
    Dean

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  • dimitrisbizakis
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    Originally posted by david s View Post
    25 cm of perlite under the floor is a huge amount. So you have a huge amount of water to eliminate. For every 100 L of perlite you have added around 30L water, that is a lot of water.My bet is that because it is so thick that it is nowhere near dry yet. The remedy is to keep firing the oven and it will eventually dry. You should start noticing an improvement in retained heat the more you use it. A new ( wet) oven will show quite large temperature differences as you have reported. Keep firing.
    I got mixed the perlite with very little water, but the first 15 cm are from an last year casting when i used the same base for an Cob Oven, the second 15 cm layer was poured at 3/2013.
    I sure have moisture in there...
    Today i'll remove on brick from the floor to see whats going on!
    Last edited by dimitrisbizakis; 08-14-2013, 02:09 AM.

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  • david s
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    25 cm of perlite under the floor is a huge amount. So you have a huge amount of water to eliminate. For every 100 L of perlite you have added around 30L water, that is a lot of water.My bet is that because it is so thick that it is nowhere near dry yet. The remedy is to keep firing the oven and it will eventually dry. You should start noticing an improvement in retained heat the more you use it. A new ( wet) oven will show quite large temperature differences as you have reported. Keep firing.

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  • dimitrisbizakis
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    Originally posted by thickstrings View Post
    If its going in the right direction then, it may be moisture...Is there insulation on the bottom? Have you spread your coals out and shut the door?This is called "soaking " you oven.... Do you have a door?
    Is closing the door with live coals in the oven a good idea?
    The lack of air wouldn't put out the coals?
    I have got a three CB layer sandwich door.
    How long should i Soak the oven after the fire is out?
    I mean that the soot is gone after an hour and a half but I think the dome needs more soaking.

    What is the right temp dropping times when you bake with the coals removed?
    And something else, I got a door gauge, an internal oven gauge that sits on the hearth in the center of the dome and a ir thermometer.
    The door says 220 because most of probe is in the door and its in the coolest place of the oven, the center say 270, the ir at same time shows the bottom at 320 and the top 430 approximately(celcius). What is the right reading?

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  • dimitrisbizakis
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    Originally posted by Laurentius View Post
    Hi Di,

    Is there insulation under the floor of your oven? Does the walls of your oven sit on the insulation or on the slab itself? How is it finished? Stucco, waterproofed paint, enclosed? The outside shouldn't be higher than ambient temperature, unless its painted a dark heat absorbing color. After 15 firing there shouldn't be a moisture problem, unless its sitting in the rain all the time. I would guess that its an insulation problem. If your floor area is insulated, I think that the insulation material is wet and it will take a long time to dry. So, keep her Hot, and see what happen. If you don't have insulation under your floor, then you have a heat sink.
    I got about 25 cm of percrete under the hearth and the dome insulation, that is tree layers of 2,5 cm ceramic blanket, is finishing on the percrete.
    I got lime stucco render and plastic paint on top, the oven is well protected from rain.It is outdoors off course.

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  • Laurentius
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    Originally posted by dimitrisbizakis View Post
    Hi guys I am on my 15nth fire and my oven is about 50c on the outside and the temp is 38 c (Greek summer), is this ok?
    I have 2 layers of ceramic blanket to the sides and 3 on the top.
    From total cool oven i start a fire, after an hour and half the soot is gone bad if I remove the coals and mop the floor I can barely bake 4 breads and the temp drops to 180 and lower.

    I fired the oven three days in a row and I can say I hold better heat but this time I did try to remove the coals.
    I just don't burn the oven enough or it's a moister factor?
    I hear some guys here baking 3-4 batches of bread with one fire and it makes my wonder what did I do wrong.
    Hi Di,

    Is there insulation under the floor of your oven? Does the walls of your oven sit on the insulation or on the slab itself? How is it finished? Stucco, waterproofed paint, enclosed? The outside shouldn't be higher than ambient temperature, unless its painted a dark heat absorbing color. After 15 firing there shouldn't be a moisture problem, unless its sitting in the rain all the time. I would guess that its an insulation problem. If your floor area is insulated, I think that the insulation material is wet and it will take a long time to dry. So, keep her Hot, and see what happen. If you don't have insulation under your floor, then you have a heat sink.

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  • thickstrings
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    Re: Oven Curing

    If its going in the right direction then, it may be moisture...Is there insulation on the bottom? Have you spread your coals out and shut the door?This is called "soaking " you oven.... Do you have a door?

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  • dimitrisbizakis
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    Hi guys I am on my 15nth fire and my oven is about 50c on the outside and the temp is 38 c (Greek summer), is this ok?
    I have 2 layers of ceramic blanket to the sides and 3 on the top.
    From total cool oven i start a fire, after an hour and half the soot is gone bad if I remove the coals and mop the floor I can barely bake 4 breads and the temp drops to 180 and lower.

    I fired the oven three days in a row and I can say I hold better heat but this time I did try to remove the coals.
    I just don't burn the oven enough or it's a moister factor?
    I hear some guys here baking 3-4 batches of bread with one fire and it makes my wonder what did I do wrong.
    Last edited by dimitrisbizakis; 08-11-2013, 07:05 AM.

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  • I love fire
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    Hello all,

    I'm new to the forum, I just received my forno bravo Strada series yesterday, July 26th. I was reading the directions about curing and it said that i would need to wait five days before starting the fires. I ordered the oven on July 10 and it didn't ship until the 21st (delay in shipping). Like I said it came yesterday and my question is, do I really need to wait five days before curing with fire? I live in Kentucky and it shipped from California, so while it was in transit for five days, does that count for anything? Does it have anything to do with the specific climate the oven will be in? Thanks so much for any help!

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  • V-wiz
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    You will soon find out that charcoal doesnt provide enough heat unless you like wasting money. Just burn old 2x4 lumber as i did. I only used charcoal up to 250f

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  • UtahBeehiver
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    I used heat beads (AU) aka bricketts (USA) for several of my cures, just started in a brickett chimney and then poured on floor. Started out with halogen lights, ovenhight a few days (abt 175 degrees) tried canned heat, expensive and only reached about 200 degrees (so not worth the effort IMHO), went to bricketts for 3-4 cures hit the mid 300s, then to wood 3-4 times gradually getting larger fires.

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  • cobblerdave
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    Gudday
    The bricketts work well because it is hard to maintain and feed a small fire over a period of time. Not used canned heat so I will not comment.
    Regards dave

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  • K79
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    Hey guys I'm at post 130 in this thread and was reading about using charcoal briquettes because it's less direct heat on the dome. Could I burn a nice fire in my firepit and transfer these coals into the oven and essentially never start a fire in the oven for the curing process.... for the first few hundred degrees anyways. Also what about a few canned heat containers?
    Last edited by K79; 06-11-2013, 12:39 PM.

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  • V-wiz
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    I officially started the curing. I had the propane weed burner in there for about 2 hours, had it on its lowest setting. Stacked a few fire bricks to diffuse the flame/heat. The hottest the top of the dome got was just shy of 200F. The chimney also seems to be drawing pretty well. Hope i can continue some more tomorrow. Do you guys recommend a constant steady heat? For example keep the heat at 300F for a few hours?


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  • V-wiz
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    I think as long as there is air flow so the gas vents out it should be okay.

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