High Heat Loss

[ThisOldGarageNJ]

Re: High Heat Loss

hey guys,
What if he were to stucco the inside of the oven with refractory cement, if he put kaowool inside, then wire mesh and stuccoed with the refractory ????

Any thoughts on that ??
Cheers
Mark

[dmun]

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I had an idea that might work but I`ll ask here first.. I was thinking along the lines of insulated cement tiles about an inch thick..I would have to make them in a small form sandwiching the the insulating board on all sides inside the cement.. No idea yet if they would crack or not but thought that if it works then I would have an oven that I could use for bread or Pizza`s by simply placing or removing the tiles..
Do you think this could work?
I live in the Philippines so might have some problems finding the insulating board..
What If I just made them from a perlite cement mix?

An inch of perlite concrete is better than nothing, but not much better. Four inches is the recommended amount. Reducing that still further by putting concrete on top (You can get refractory concrete, but not insulation board?) sounds like a big waste of time to me.

[ThisOldGarageNJ]

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Like Dutch said, can you get the floor out of the oven ? Using half bricks and insulation board ight be your best way to go... Then call the guy who built it and tell him he owes you a refund !!!

Hope it works out for you
Mark

[pizzacrazy]

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This sounds good, can you share a link of your invention?

[fred42]

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I have made the same mistake in regards the hearth insulation (on 2 inches of sand and a 4" slab) ..I had no idea about this forum either!
I had an idea that might work but I`ll ask here first.. I was thinking along the lines of insulated cement tiles about an inch thick..I would have to make them in a small form sandwiching the the insulating board on all sides inside the cement.. No idea yet if they would crack or not but thought that if it works then I would have an oven that I could use for bread or Pizza`s by simply placing or removing the tiles..
Do you think this could work?
I live in the Philippines so might have some problems finding the insulating board..
What If I just made them from a perlite cement mix?

[Dutchoven]

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Just had a thought...was the floor constructed inside the oven or did you rest the walls on the floor bricks. If the floor was constructed inside you might be able to remove the floor bricks and cut a sheet of superisol or calsil to fit inside the floor and then reset the bricks. It might affect the door height to dome ratio but perhaps you could reset the floor using splits in which case your thermal mass in the floor would be reduced but...the benefit of the insulated floor might be worth more in the long run?
Best
Dutch

[CanuckJim]

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JC,

They are similar products in that they are calcium silicate based. However, I'd say you wanted a rigid cal sil board; SuperIsol is just one name for it. The boards would be easier to retrofit and glue to the underside of your oven. Insulfrax is calcium silicate batt material used to insulate the oven dome, and it's flexible for that reason.

Jim

[jcampo]

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Would you recomend SuperIso over Insulfrax for insulating under my oven floor?

[CanuckJim]

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JC,

Look under the Vermiculite Prices thread for a supplier of calcium aluminate board (similar to SuperIsol) in Concord, Ont. (Keele St. north of Hwy 7). The name of the company is Alphatherm, and all the details are in that thread.

Jim

[jcampo]

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I am going to try installing some insulation underneath the oven floor.

What would be better to use Insulfrax, SuperIsol or anything else?
Also anyone know where I can purchase SuperIsol in Canada?

[Archena]

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Question from peanut gallery: What about adding a stone floor over the firebrick? I realize you'd lose interior space but would a second floor with even minimal insulation keep the slab from wicking so badly?

Also, it the dome itself is embedded in uninsulated concrete isn't that wicking off heat the same way the slab is?

[jcampo]

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The right side is actually a bbq but you could use it as a smoker as well. The bottom is just for wood storage.

[RCLake]

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Sorry about your problem, it sounds like the experts on this forum are giviing you options to address it.
I was wondering if you could tell me more about the right side of the structure. It looks like you added a smoker. What is the slot below it for?

[RTflorida]

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I know this does not help solve your problem, but have you used an IR thermometer (or any type) to get actual temps and gauge the heat drop off??
Maybe enough heat to do a couple of bread bakes? couple of hours roasting?

I'm just trying to think "worst case scenario" and find a way to use what you have.....its a beautiful oven, there has to be some form of cooking you can do without having to burn an entire forest each time.......I hope so, anyway

[RTflorida]

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John, are you keeping a fire going when your doing pizza? Not a raging fire, just a couple of logs with all of the coals? It makes a huge difference even in a well insulated oven.

RT