Larger Oven Design Help

Re: Larger Oven Design Help

This forum is really an invaluable resource I must say. Thanks for all the feedback/info. guys. Ya I am in the pizza business now doing thin crusts in pans in a gas deck oven but I am a newb when it comes to the wood burning. I definitely don't want to go to all this trouble of building one only to find it's too big or too small. Good point too about the two ovens with different temps. What I was thinking is I wanted the ability to sear and broil but really I wanted that extra space to put in some deep dish pizzas which would take longer. I assumed the high temp would work for that as well and they would take longer than 90 sec. so I would need a little extra room to keep those in while I could cook a couple 15" thin crusts.

I think to do that I'm in the range of about a 50-52" oven which is 8-10" bigger than the largest plans on here of 42" as you know - doesn't seem like much but my one big concern is the heat up time - will it make that much more diff. with the bigger diameter?

mOnGo

[Archena]

Re: Larger Oven Design Help

Well, if he needs anything seared...

or broiled...

He's good. <shrugging smilie here>

[nissanneill]

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Mongo,
i appreciate what you are trying to achieve but nothing teaches like experience.
Although I have had only minimal experience with my Pompeii but that is enough to pull one into line with the limitations of cooking and what you can cook in them at any one time.
We know and I believe that you can cook anything in them, BUT if you have the oven up around the 500?C mark for pizzas, then you ain't gonna cook much else in there without constant watching and turning to prevent/reduce burning! You are looking at temps double that of conventional ovens!
After cooking pizzas in my oven, the fire was almost out but hot coals still remained, so I decided to try some breads, made and proofed the dough as required, 2 different types and put into the oven with a temporary door on. They looked great so removed them and cut in half to find that they were quire doughy in the centre, so put them back in and cooked further until the crusts were a little scorched. See:

https://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f25/neills-pizzas-breads-roast-lamb-veg-2158.html

Russell Jeavons resautant (a well known author in wood ovens here in Adelaide South Australia) has 2 ovens going in his restaurant and has them at different temps to cook all the different meals for his customers.
See:

https://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f27/russell-jeavons-pizza-restaurant-south-australia-1930.html

Hope this helps you to consider what you can or might be limited to do.

Regards.

Neill

[Dutchoven]

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I have to ask also...have you been in the pizza business before?...making pizzas commercially?...if not are you going or have you gone to any of the training programs by FB. Reason I ask is it will be rather dicey to keep track of more than two or three pizzas at a time when you have 90 seconds to 2 minutes cook time. I am pretty good at throwing a pizza and don't think I could keep up with spinning and topping pizzas in less than 2 minutes.
If you can my hat is off but, those would be some of my concerns. Oh, I sometimes get a pizza within about 2-3 inches of the coals but, gets even more dicey then to avoid serious char!
Dutch

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Mongo,
once you get your oven up to temperature and you are cooking your pizzas in 90 seconds or there abouts, how many pizzas do you want to cook in an hour?
The amount of room taken up in your oven by the burning logs and coals will also decide on your optimum oven size with your 4 X 15" pizzas.
I have built a 40" Pompeii and used only around 120 fire bricks, the dome bricks cut in half and the hearth laid on the larger surface (3.5" thick). The front arch and vent were built with standsrd clay bricks.
I reckon you will need close to your 240 bricks for a 50"oven.
With a 50" diameter, one wouls assume that you would end up with a 25" dome height and when the openning os around 60% of dome height, a 15" high entrance would suffice.
The width may be decided by your pizza max width plus a little for comfortable placement and retrieval, say 20".
Good luck.

Neill

I'm only in a small city so my pizzas per hour at a peak time would only hit 20-25, which I realize is well below what a bigger oven can do - but I want to have that room to put other menu items in there at the same time as well (that may take longer to cook). Using some graph paper and laying out the 15" "pizzas" I came up with the range of say 48" to 54" internal. I guess one problem I'm having is never having fired one I don't know how much room the coals will take up once they are raked over to the side and aprox. how close one can place a pizza to said coals (6"? 12"?). It ain't easy being a newb

I guess the width of the opening isn't as important as the height then? It's more for placement and retrieval (sounds militaristic now)?...or if it's too wide then I'm thinking maybe it affects the convenction and heat loss? I guess I'll go with what you say of just wide enough.

Thanks for the tips - good stuff there.

le Mongo

[nissanneill]

Re: Larger Oven Design Help

Mongo,
once you get your oven up to temperature and you are cooking your pizzas in 90 seconds or there abouts, how many pizzas do you want to cook in an hour?
The amount of room taken up in your oven by the burning logs and coals will also decide on your optimum oven size with your 4 X 15" pizzas.
I have built a 40" Pompeii and used only around 120 fire bricks, the dome bricks cut in half and the hearth laid on the larger surface (3.5" thick). The front arch and vent were built with standsrd clay bricks.
I reckon you will need close to your 240 bricks for a 50"oven.
With a 50" diameter, one wouls assume that you would end up with a 25" dome height and when the openning os around 60% of dome height, a 15" high entrance would suffice.
The width may be decided by your pizza max width plus a little for comfortable placement and retrieval, say 20".
Good luck.

Neill

[Mongo]

Ok after much back and forth and deliberation and good tips on everything from twin ovens to coal ovens to solar ovens (ok I just made that last one up), the Mongo has decided to find the space for an oven even if it means moving locations from the current cramped one. What Mongo needs to know (Mongo likes to refer to himself in the third person to feel like a big man) is what size you guys think I...I mean he...I mean I need to comfortably be able to fit 4, yes Four, 15" (Fifteen Inch) pizzas in at one time. I know I can fit two-three in a 42" (these will all be internal dimensions I'm quoting here) oven, but I really want that extra space for cooking other items and the capacity for four if I really want it. I have come up with somewhere in the range of about 50" - 54". What do you think?

I would imagine a little bigger oven means bigger fire but I'm prepared to deal with that. Also I would like to get some feedback on landing sizes and door sizes and internal oven height measurements for this size oven. I have read somewhere on here it's about a 5 to 8 ratio of door height to cooking chamber height, or say 60%...but when I'm not sure about the oven height that doesn't help me much (note: I want to build the lower roof style oven).

...and just so ya know I've got about 240 bricks on order which I think should cover it up to about a 54" oven.

Whatdyathink?

thanks and cheers,

Mongo