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  • #31
    Re: Insulation Efficiency

    Phil,
    2" and hopefully you have some left over to make it 3" on top of the dome will DEFINETLY be enough. You do not have to add vermiculite or vemiculite-concrete mix on top of that. I have this (mine is mostly 3"-4") with no other type of vermiculite on it. You can do the same and be fine.

    Others have used the vermiculite-concrete below their oven floor, on top of the concrete base or inside the base and so they may have the stuff laying around and wanted to add more or just want to go the extra step of filling the void with vermiculite on top of everything. It will add some insulation value at relatively little cost, but I think with 2"-3" ceramic blanket, it will give you 95% of the heat retention you are looking for. -Dino
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    • #32
      Re: Insulation Efficiency

      I thought that I read FB is now recomending Ceramic blanket only insulation. Has anyone else read this? If so, how much is required. The Ebook says 2 to 3 inches is enough
      This is correct, and two inches would be enough for all practical purposes, but it doesn't come in a spherical shape, and it's hard to fit it to the dome without being lumpy. I think some builders aiming for the igloo finish have added vermiculite concrete just to get a smooth, uniform underlayment for the stucco.
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      • #33
        Re: Insulation Efficiency

        Excellent point dmun. Thank you (I'm weeks from that point, but stucco igloo is my intent, so I love the input).

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        • #34
          Re: Insulation Efficiency

          Good point but in this case the vermiculite is not necesssary. Thick base coat for shape and and a final skin coat with stucco and I should be good.

          Thanks,

          Phil

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          • #35
            Re: Insulation Efficiency

            OK, how important is the insulation, other than to make the oven more eficient? What was used before by the ancients. Can I just cover the dome with waterproof cement and go at it? Or will the heat crack it if it isn't insulated? How hot does the outside of the firebrick get if the inside is around 900 degrees?? My dome is about 4 1/2" thick.
            I've just finished my dome and am about to start building the throat and chimney. I plan on curing the oven in about a week before covering it with either insulation or just cement. I want to cure it first so I can repair any cracks that might develop.
            Any ideas or comments? They would be appreciated.

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            • #36
              Re: Insulation Efficiency

              Let me beat David. If you don't insulate, the oven won't work. You won't be able to get it hot enough because you will lose too much heat. And even if you could use enough wood to heat it up enough for pizza, it will be useless for anything else. Insulate, insulate, insulate.

              Joe
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              • #37
                Re: Insulation Efficiency

                Let me guess. There's no insulation under the floor either....

                <beats head on desk>

                Three years and more we've been doing this and still the message isn't getting out...

                Insulate

                Insulate

                Insulate!!!!
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                • #38
                  Re: Insulation Efficiency

                  My guess would be that since the firebricks are basically heat sponges, then, if the inside is 900F and the oven has been heated up to full heat-storage capacity, the outside will also be 900F (the entire firebrick's mass is 900F evenly through) and both surfaces are evacuating heat in their respective directions with equal abandon. Hence ensue the problems associated with inadequate insulation.

                  I'm speculating, I don't really know, but it makes sense to me.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Insulation Efficiency

                    Actually, there is ceramic board under the floor. I guess I'll insulate the dome as I was planning to. It's getting towards winter here in the Northeast and I was hoping to get done a little quicker, trying to beat the cold. Any input as to using a WFO in winter around the Boston area. Any problems or procedures I should be aware of?

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                    • #40
                      Re: Insulation Efficiency

                      There have been many diff start up procedures for the cold... I start a little more slowly, Others jump right in with the fire from hell... My opinion is if your oven is properly cured you can probably start either way, I just prefer to heat up a little more slowly to avoid any thermal shock...
                      Mark

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                      • #41
                        Re: Insulation Efficiency

                        I'm so glad you insulated under the floor. You want your oven to be enveloped in insulation except for the opening. This is particularly important in cold weather use, when fire wood is damp, and it's harder and longer to get up to temperature anyway. I keep a couple of armloads of smaller wood in the basement so it's warm and dry to get the oven started in the winter.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Insulation Efficiency

                          Getting wood is on the horizon. Fortunately, the is a tree remover in my neighborhood who has lots of cord wood. He's always let me have what I want, and I live in a wooded area, so I can go wood hunting once I get to that point. My main concern is getting everything done before it gets too cold. wish me luck.
                          thanks for the input.
                          Dom

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                          • #43
                            Re: Insulation Efficiency

                            I purchased 3 boxes of the FB blanket and it was more than enough to swath the entire dome and entry of my 36 inch oven in four layers of the stuff with some leftover. After a few firings where the dome was well over 900 degrees I can safely say the top and back of the stucco dome conducted barely any heat from the heat inside the dome. The stucco dome felt about the same as the ambient air temperatures outside. After wrapping the dome and blanket with chicken wire I can say my first ever attempt at stucco came out pretty good and it was quite easy. I don't know if I had tried the vermiculite path whether I would have had the same results.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Insulation Efficiency

                              Originally posted by DimTex View Post
                              I purchased 3 boxes of the FB blanket and it was more than enough to swath the entire dome and entry of my 36 inch oven in four layers of the stuff with some leftover. After a few firings where the dome was well over 900 degrees I can safely say the top and back of the stucco dome conducted barely any heat from the heat inside the dome. The stucco dome felt about the same as the ambient air temperatures outside. After wrapping the dome and blanket with chicken wire I can say my first ever attempt at stucco came out pretty good and it was quite easy. I don't know if I had tried the vermiculite path whether I would have had the same results.
                              say, how many inches of FB blancket did you end up with on your 36"?
                              Since you used 3 boxes did you get 4" of insulation out of it?

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                              • #45
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                                Yes, I did

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