Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

[brickie in oz]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

1) Instead of firebrick, place insulation under the stainless in order to reduce residual heat loss through the entryway contact (more mass means more volume to absorb residual dome heat

This would be the best option imo, I have granite in my entryway with a 10mm thermal break between the oven hearth and it still gets warm even with insulation underneath.

[GianniFocaccia]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Anywhere that can wick heat away into the concrete slab needs to be insulated so you use less firewood and retain more heat.

On the same note, I am planning a stainless steel entryway floor (like Mr Chipster's). Given that I will employ a thermal break where there is minimal contact between the entryway floor/oven floor and entryway arch to the dome's inner arch, I am clueless as to which mode of thinking is most efficient:

1) Instead of firebrick, place insulation under the stainless in order to reduce residual heat loss through the entryway contact (more mass means more volume to absorb residual dome heat

2) Keep the firebrick under the entryway stainless thinking that heat transfer is partially a function of the difference of the temperature of the two entities swapping heat and that a hot entryway (heated from exhaust) will present less of a temp variance and steal less heat from the dome (provided there is a second outer door).

I guess I could insulate the perimeter of the stainless floor and leave a firebrick 'island' in the middle of it and accomplish the best of both worlds. Does this sound realistic?
John

[brickie in oz]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

I would also be interested in what people think about the importance of insulating under the oven vent.

Anywhere that can wick heat away into the concrete slab needs to be insulated so you use less firewood and retain more heat.

[nrobert]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Do you think this landing area must be as much insulated as the rest of the dome?
I'm talking about the landing just before where the door should be placed.

I would also be interested in what people think about the importance of insulating under the oven vent. I did 10" of refractory cement at the front of the pad under the vent as a base for the chimney structure and then started the insulation. The edge of the dome is 3" beyond that, 13" from the front of the oven pad, which gives 3" between the refractory cement and the dome and there is also a joint in the fire brick.

[GianniFocaccia]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

With regard to your post #1 above, I recommend you consider placing the dome on the oven floor and make the floor as large as the footprint of your insulation will allow.

Sage advice, indeed.

[Lburou]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Thank you Gulf and nrobert for your comments, What do you all think of a set like this one in the attachment?

* To use the ceramic board on all the dome and the Refractory Cement bed only at the entrance of the oven.

Sometimes we do the best we can and roll with the punches

Your attachment illustrates what is probably the best you can do with the materials at hand and within your budget. The landing must be a good foundation for the weight of the entry and flu. If you can find a way to insulate the entry floor from the material directly under it, you will not lose heat as fast as leaving the insulative layer out (refractory cement is not going to be an insulator).

Free advice: As you have someone build the oven for you, monitor every step to comply with the pompeii plans. That is the ONLY way to insure the performance of your oven when it is fineshed. We've read many accounts of 'problems' and 'issues' after the oven is completed and correcting the problems and issues becomes expensive.

With regard to your post #1 above, I recommend you consider placing the dome on the oven floor and make the floor as large as the footprint of your insulation will allow.

[Joaam]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

What do you think about using Fiber Glass only at the Oven Landing? or the leftover of the ceramic blanket? and level it to the rest of the board with a layer of refractory cement.
Do you think this landing area must be as much insulated as the rest of the dome?
I'm talking about the landing just before where the door should be placed.

[Joaam]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

I don't know what to say Lburou, thank you so much for your kind offer, but the problem I have is that the Builder I hired is already working on the foundation and the time to deliver the bag from Texas to Honduras will be too long even if I could pay (Which I can't afford) an expedite delivery option.
But let me tell you that I think you definitely are a "Master Builder" as stated in your signature.

[Lburou]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

I have a 4 cu ft bag of zonolite (vermiculite treated with silicone) left over....I wonder how much it would cost to ship it from Texas (76049)? You pay the shipping and its yours. It weighs around 15 pounds or so.

With the vermiculite, you could make an insulative foundation for your oven landing.

[Joaam]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Thank you Gulf and nrobert for your comments, What do you all think of a set like this one in the attachment?

* To use the ceramic board on all the dome and the Refractary Cement bed only at the entrance of the oven.

[nrobert]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

I would also think that you could fill in around the FB board with vermiculite insulation. You could also consider putting down two inches of vermiculite, laying your FB board on top of that and then filling in around with another 2" of vermiculite. That's assuming that your board is 2" thick which would bring you up to an even surface and give you a total of 4" of vermiculite where you don't have the insulating board.

[Gulf]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Joaam, Have you thought about vermiculte or perlite and portland. It may be a cheaper alternative (depending on the sources in your area). Also, are there any sources for Calcium Silicate board in your country? That may be an excellent alternative. I was given enough to insulate under mine, howevert just prior to that I was quoted a price of 87 US dollars plus tax for 27 square feet of 2" Calcium Silicate to pick up at a local industrial insulation supply business. Anything you can find locally, even if you have to pour it thicker would have to be cheaper than the importing/shipping charges. Do anything you can to get full coverage insulation under the floor and dome.

[Les]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Dont do it.

What Brickie said...

[brickie in oz]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Hello Les, actually I was talking about the dome wall, do you think I could use refractary cement in the 3 or 4 inches remaining outside the board?

Dont do it.
All the heat from the dome will just flow away to the supporting concrete slab and you will be forever trying to keep the oven warm never mind hot.

[Joaam]

Re: Build the wall of the dome outside the FB Board.

Hello Les, actually I was talking about the dome wall, do you think I could use refractary cement in the 3 or 4 inches remaining outside the board?