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  • IH123
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    I had to switch from trammel to wood template, as soon, the dome will become high and narrow can't lay hearth bricks anymore. so, I laid all the hearth and wrapped it with parchment papers and started building using the template, which was not bad but I like the trammel more. then, I found that the inner arch intersection area will not be good without the trammel so I pushed my hands into the inner arch opening and took few hearth bricks out through the inner arch and placed the trammel back:
    1- inner arch intersection with dome: will be built using the trammel
    2- once the dome becomes independent of the intersection with the inner arch(about one more course), I will put the hearth bricks back through the inner arch opening and switch to the template again.

    Here are the pictures of the 5th course build using the template guide instead of the trammel:


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  • IH123
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    I removed the inner arch work form, and it was easy because of the parchment paper under the work form and above it. One issue I found is that my work form did not have a base plate (top plate cap) to hold the mortar at the bottom of the arch bricks so it flowed free fall, the parchment paper did not hold the mortar. I have for the other arches, to use aluminum foil or put on the work form a thin board as the inner part of the arch brick (would trim the thickness from the arch radius to keep it dimensional correct) will have at least 1/8" mortar thickness (I do not let inner brick faces touch because the mortar has no strength when its too thin, I rather leave the mortar between 3mm and 9mm all over to obtain the adhesion at the full cross section area of the brick joint.

    I used a small trowel and hit the mortar dripping with the edge of the trowel and it was easy to break the about 1/2" mortar at the line. I will later smooth the surfaces with mortar after grinding where necessary using grinding block stone, I also need to grind the arch face where the door will touch to make it in same plane all over the arch opening.

    Here are pictures after removing the inner arch work form:


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  • IH123
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    here is the inner arch pictures, its built now:

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  • IH123
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    I today finished cutting the inner arch bricks, the most difficult cut on 10" wet saw was to cut the wedge on the 9" long brick, I end up doing close to wrong cuts but it worked. while I used a wood rod with exact length to draw the contour over the arch bricks, I end up having what I had in my drawing (same dimensions like what drawing concluded). I used a simple cut that dome bricks would need extra cut when they meet the arch on an angle, couldn't pre-cut the arch to match the landing dome brick exactly. next, I will put inner arch work form in final position, over shims then top it with parchment paper, center it and level it, and then build and mortar the arch bricks. here are pictures from my work:

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  • IH123
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    I today, built course#4, excluding the connection to the inner arch.I am yet to cut the inner arch voussoirs - have first to make the arch work form deeper, increase it from 4.5" to about 8" so to support the intersecting bricks while dry fitting, I only cut just one with the full 9" length yet to trim the dome part and cut remaining ones. pictures from today's build:

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    Last edited by IH123; 08-19-2026, 10:06 PM.

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  • IH123
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    I completed today the full of course#3, I think I am using thicker mortar than intended, while I am aiming 1/8" its ending up more, likely because the stones start curving with the dome. I hope where dome meets arch legs is not very bad.I did not set up the arch work form yet, just have it in place for easy storage. I just realized while looking at the pictures that I had handful of bricks not staggered, its because I buttered a bunch and was on a tight time , will fix it on next course for sure.

    next, I plan to cut lost of dome brick cuts enough for 2 more courses and the inner arch cuts, then build them. photos from today:

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  • Giovanni Rossi
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    One additional comment on the arch form. With the top open, it's possible some mortar may squeeze into that space effectively locking the form in place, even with a shim. If that happens, you don't want to force it free. Shouldn't be an issue for you as it looks like your assembly can be dismantled from either side. This is more a caution for other builders when designing their form.

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  • david s
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    You shouldn't really need this because the velocity of the smoke once the flue is drawing well will leave the sharper angle better than a rounded one. The corollary is the transom of a speed boat where the sharp angle performs better than a rounded one once the velocity increases a bit. "Duck tail" car designs work on the same principle. All ovens will smoke a bit at start up, until the flue warms sufficiently to create draw.
    I once had the experience of operating my mobile oven at a market where the stall-holder next to me was selling hand knitted wares like baby booties. I was so worried about the smoke causing issues for her goods, particularly at start up. I discovered by starting a tiny fire and adding really small amounts of wood to progressively build the fire, that it is possible to do a completely smokeless firing.

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  • IH123
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    I have to cut my inner arch curve voussoir brick to allow combustion gas to swirl upwards on exit, so all smoke can be directed to the flue gallery as soon as possible without having to allow velocity to shoot it forward towards the mouth, this may require a bit of padding to my arch work form on top, which I can do with additional shims, as the arch work form was designed for flat cut (I made it before considering the aerodynamics of smoke) :


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  • UtahBeehiver
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    Plus one on Dave's comment, 3/8 - 1/2" is a good release wedge size.

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  • david s
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    Be sure to place some wedges underneath your timber arch former, so when removed it will drop and facilitate easy removal without disturbing the arch.

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  • IH123
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    I today, cut enough dome brick cuts to complete the full 3rd course , and also prepared the arch legs by cutting the top brick of the arch leg to the required angle. I did not mortar any bricks today but will do next week, I chose to construct the inner arch curve, only after the dome reaches 3rd-4th course where they can meet, to have a clear view of how it has to be (and will use the trammel to mark the inner and outer cuts on arch curve while using full brick to bridge between arch and dome). picture from today:

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  • IH123
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    Originally posted by UtahBeehiver View Post
    Here are a couple tips. Make any width correction in the front half of the dome, no one will ever seem them one the oven is done. They only peek through the door when the oven is going. Second, as you move up in courses, at the end of the day, lay one brick on the centre of the back of the dome on the next course. This will give you a solid anchor to start from when you start positioning bricks the following day. I used a rubber mallet to position and move the bricks when setting.
    Thanks for the tip, I almost did not think about that the position of the width correction brick matters on the inside more than the outside, I was working under heavy rain for past 3 days wet and cold... my cut brick is 3 3/8" (inside) and 4 3/8" (outside), with my Thermobond 915 refractory mortar minimum thickness is 1/8", I end up somewhere between 1/8"-1/4". so , I always started from the back centre of oven however after about 8 bricks, the staggering vanishes and the brick aligns on the outside: 4 3/8" brick+~1/4" mortar=4 5/8", so 8 mortared bricks yield circumference of about 37", which is equivalent to 8.5 brick widths exact(this is when the half brick was left at start becomes gone, from the 0.5 of the 8.5). I therefore has to have a correction brick every about 8 bricks(for one course pattern, the one on top will end up every about 6-7 bricks because of arch). I have been having them currently , when starting from the back centre, at the back corners and near the inner arch.

    I will try to fix it by having the correction brick be laid first instead of the full brick at the front half instead of the back centre, then go toward back and front and correct again where needed.Though, I think nothing will work as if I shift the correction to front corner then there will be another one needed in the centre back, which is worse than the back corners, that's because of how my bricks widths are and that I need more than one correction brick (about 3 ) per one course.They just gonna scatter somewhere. a best I do is to have the correction brick be the widest possible.
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  • UtahBeehiver
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    Here are a couple tips. Make any width correction in the front half of the dome, no one will ever seem them one the oven is done. They only peek through the door when the oven is going. Second, as you move up in courses, at the end of the day, lay one brick on the center of the back of the dome on the next course. This will give you a solid anchor to start from when you start positioning bricks the following day. I used a rubber mallet to position and move the bricks when setting.

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  • IH123
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    I had finished 1st course and about half of 2nd course, next would be third course and inner arch:

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