Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
dear Greg,
my name is Tom in FL. and I am about to start my oven, especially now that I have seen the tool. May I ask some questions?
Thank you
Tom
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Tom
Congratulations on taking the plunge. That is the hardest part.
We use our oven 3-4 times a month. It has become the talk of all our friends and the center of many social nights. It is such an easy instant party. Make the dough three days in advance. Marinate a few shrimp two hours before the party and let your guests assemble the pizzas. Guests always want to know what to bring so we make it into a wine tasting party as well. Now to your questions, my ANSWERS IN ALL CAPS:
one: I will be building my cinder block base and the cement on top of that , but I noticed that you still did the vermiculite cement on top of the cement for further insulation even though you still went with the fb insulation board. Could I just go with more insulation board and no vermiculite cement, since it appears to be a royal pain to work with?? everyone who makes an oven seems to say that they would use more insulation if they could do it again, so I say more all around (that is underneath and more wrapped around the dome).
A: THE VERMICULITE WAS NOT HARD TO WORK WITH, JUST WEIRD. MORE LIKE OATMEAL THAN CEMENT. IT MIXED AND POURED EASY ENOUGH, I JUST NEVER EXPECTED IT TO SET PROPERLY. IT DID. THE INSULATION BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE VERY GOOD. NEXT TO NO HEAT IS SUPPOSED TO GET THROUGH. I LIKE TO OVER ENGINEER EVERYTHING. BUT PER SQUARE INCH THE VERMICULITE IS A LOT CHEAPER. IF YOU NOTICE, I ALSO BROUGHT THE VERMICULITE IN FOUR INCHES FROM THE EDGE. I DID THIS TO PUT MORE INSULATION BETWEEN THE METAL 2X4 FOOTER AND ALLOWED ME TO MAXIMIZE THE SIZE OF MY DOME. I ALSO DECIDED I WANTED TO RAISE MY HEATH UP 3 INCHES AFTER I POURED MY TABLE. NECESSARY TO HAVE TWO BOARD LAYERS? PROBABLY NOT. VERMICULITE BETTER THAN BOARD FOR BOTTOM LAYER? PROBABLY, SEEMS TO BE VERY STABLE AND NOT SURE HOW WELL THE BOARDS STACK.
two: I plan on making the same diameter. How many bricks did you use:
A: I HAVE NO IDEA :-0 THREE TRIPS TO THE BRICK YARD. YOU COULD COUNT THE BRICKS IN EACH RING AND DIVIDE BY TWO, COUNT THE FLOOR , AND ARCHES UP WITH OUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE, BUT I HAVE NOT COUNTED.
three: what kind of saw for the cuts please.
A: 10? WET TABLE SAW IS ESSENTIAL WITH A HIGH QUALITY DIAMOND BLADE. A HOME DEPOT SAW WILL RUN YOU ABOUT $250 AND A DIAMOND REPLACEMENT BLADE $50. THE ONE THAT COMES WITH ISN?T WORTH ANYTHING. I THEN RESOLD IT ON CRAIGS LIST FOR $200.
four: where is the tool currently? is it available? if not I have a welder buddy. I have been looking at your Picassa photos, so I will attempt to copy it, unless you like the design of someone else's more.
A: THE TOOL IS ON IT?S THIRD OR FOURTH USER. TAKE A LOOK AT THE FORUM UNDER INDISPENSIBLE TOOL.
ONE OF THE GUYS INVENTED A NO WELD ADJUSTABLE VERSION OUT OF COMMON PARTS AT HD. IT LOOKS GREAT AND MORE FLEXIBLE.
five: what would you change? more insulation? perhaps a flatter roof like the neopolitan ovens (bringing the heat more downward)?
A: I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH THE OVEN FUNCTION. IT RETAINS HEAT GREAT. TWO LAYERS OF BLANKET IS ENOUGH. IT WAS COOL TO THE TOUCH ON THE OUTSIDE SO NO HEAT IS GETTING OUT. I RETAIN ALMOST TOO MUCH HEAT (GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE). IN DESIGN, I WRESTLED WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE OVEN BUT I AM REALLY HAPPY WITH THE HIGHER DOME. IT ALLOWS FOR MORE VERSATILITY AND HEAD ROOM IN COOKING THINGS OTHER THAN PIZZAS. I SUPPOSE YOU COULD BRING THE CEILING DOWN FROM 21? TO 19? BUT I DON?T KNOW IF THAT WOULD AFFECT THE DRAFT, AND MINE DRAFTS GREAT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE CHANGED IS I LOVE DINOS STAND DESIGN WITH ACCESS TO THE FRONT AND BACK. I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MADE ARCHES AT BOTH ENDS OF THE STAND (LIKE TWO TUNNELS) WITH A WALL BISECTING THE TUNNEL IN THE MIDDLE. WITH ACCESS TO ONLY THE FRONT, THE BACK HALF IS WASTED SPACE FOR ME. I ONLY KEEP ONE ROW OF WOOD UNDER THE OVEN. I COULD FILL IT WITH WOOD BUT DON?T WANT TO MAKE TOO HAPPY OF A HOME FOR SPIDERS OR CRITTERS; AND IT WOULD BE TOO HARD TO REACH THE BACK.
good luck, happy to help anytime.
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Dino
Thanks for the well wishes.
Must be the pizza.....it has knocked 30 years off me.
RealJay
Glad your moving along. don't worry about pretty, worry about tasty.
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Yep, thank you.Originally posted by geisen View Postrealjaydub
just saw your post. got everything you need?
Working on my last row right now.
Not quite as pretty or well done as you but it's working out..
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Happy birthday Greg! Great way to spend it, with family and the wfo. )You honestly still don't look a day over 13
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Cheers, Dino
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
happy birthday to me3 Photos
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Pizza for my Birthday!!!4 Photos
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
realjaydub
just saw your post. got everything you need?
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
I'm digging the template you made...sweet design...any chance you could copy the wood pattern on tag board and ship it? obviously I would pay for your time and materials.. working on my hearth slab now...looking to build in a week or two.
Thanks
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You guys are sooooo helpful...I just seen your post with the outer dimensions on top of the picture....amazing work!
just copied the picture and think this will work great when I make my template.
Thanks again!Last edited by realjaydub; 06-14-2010, 11:59 PM.
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Sorry, I forgot to post back, but it was outstanding. I added the red wine and some portabellas as well as some rosemary. It will definitely be a staple from now on. Thanks again for posting the recipe.
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
I was looking for a recipe to make in my WFO this weekend and I saw the email come in about this thread. What great timing. It is in the oven right now and should be done about 6 or 7pm est. I will let everyone know how it turned out. Thanks for the recipe Greg! It smells and looks outstanding.
Scott...
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Isn't it great to roast peppers in our ovens? Much better than on the stove top. What flavor!
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
mick
dome is 42 inch diameter, 21 inch high. Below are the measurements of my entrance. When I first light the fire I get a little smoke out the front if it is really windy. but once it gets hot (10mins) absolutely no problems even in a blasting sideways rain storm. I think the taller the chimney the better to create a good draft. The front bricks of my arch are 4.5 inches deep and the depth of the chiminey opening is 5in. I could have probably gone with a 6 or 7 inch opening. The challenge with you creating a 15 in deep entrance is it limits your reach and access to the back of the oven. I adapted my flared entrance and depth from all the great builders on this site. I couldn't be happier with it.
greg1 PhotoLast edited by geisen; 05-01-2010, 10:33 AM.
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Greg
I really like your build and the measurements you show, very useful indeed.
How high is your internal oven/chamber? I guess 21"? ... how the door and chimney vent? Do you get any smoke coming out the front?
I'm considering going quite deep with the entrance to avoid smoke coming out. Maybe up to 15"
Mick
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Re: Greg's Pompeii 42" - San Diego
Eric
I Love to cook, but baking bread makes me nervous. Any chance I can get a lesson next time you are prepping a big batch. No rush on the burner, I picked up a new one so that would just be a spare. Having my Admiral over with a bunch of my colleagues in 2 weeks for a big pizza party. 40 people all together. The flour will be flying. trying to figure out the best way to keep the pizzas moving so people don't get hungry. I too was tired by the time i got to the "aesthetics" but you gotta push through.
Dusty
you won't regret it. awesome.....
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