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  • blacknoir
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    Shay's Pompeii Oven and Kitchen

    This project will consist of a 36" Pompeii Wood Fire Oven, a Rumford Fireplace, a built in Grill and some other misc kitchen stuff... at least that's the current plan.

    To start with I created a kitchen layout with 2 counter spaces surrounding a fireplace and with the oven on the end of a counter. For the foundation I dug 5' deep post holes, 1 per counter and fireplace and 4 for the oven. I was originally going to do a total of 10 holes but I'm dealing with both brown and gray clay which took everything out of me just doing the 7 and when I got done with those I decided it looked good enough.. time will tell.

    I then made my forms out of 2x6's, sunk my tubes and poured 2.5 tons of pea gravel in. If I were to do this again I would have gotten a couple large tubes and 7 slightly smaller tubes, they come that way at most box stores. I would have then cut the large ones up into 1' sections and put those in the ground to hold the gravel back. Then I could have waited to sink the smaller tubes until the day I poured. Instead I only sunk my forms a foot into the ground but soon realized I might not be able to get them all the way in if I didn't do it before I started putting rebar in so I did. These then got wet from a high water table and ended up mostly trashed. Lesson learned.

  • johnnypie
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    thanks for your pic and info.ill b starting my oven soon have slab half doug out.thanks johnnypie

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  • KraemerBAC
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    Shay,

    That seems like a great way to maintain a constant temp over a period of time.

    The door does look good!!

    Peter

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  • blacknoir
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    Firing

    I started Day 1 of firing today using a propane burner. I'm going to try and maintain a fairly steady temp of ~100F for 3-4 hours before I shut it off and pop the door on.

    The door I whipped together last night using some sheet metal, leftover FB blanket, some sheet metal screws, a generic handle and some oven spray paint. It actually looks pretty good from a distance..

    -Shay

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  • blacknoir
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    Kitchen momentum

    While I'm waiting impatiently for the oven to cure I decided to make some progress on the rest of the kitchen.. dang this oven is taking a lot of my time.. Sooo I put forms up for the bottoms of the 2 side counters. The middle part will be a fireplace so I'll be making a 3rd form later which sits up higher. I'm thinking I might do 1 more layer of cement block to raise it up to a low sitting height compared to the ground level of the counters.

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  • mluttropp
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    Lars,

    Thanks for the info. There may be hope yet.

    Shey let us all know how yours works out when you fire it up.

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  • Lars
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    Hey Matt,
    I put up several posts about my experience with cracking, curing, and the clay flue. I really think it is all about the oven heating in an even manner. When you wrap your flue in portland/vermiculite, or even just enclosing it so cool air is not incident upon the outside, I think the liner will work fine.

    Mine cracked, but after it's surrounded, the crack ONLY opens up on the top where it isn't surrounded.

    Lars.

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  • blacknoir
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    Only thing I have planned so far is to pour some perlite/portland around it tomorrow.. then I'll let it sit a week before I start firing.

    oh, and cross my fingers..

    As for speed, this is actually taking a lot longer then I thought it would. The dome was pretty quick but the entrance and arches take a lot of trial and error cutting which slows down the process a lot.. Originally I was hoping to complete an entire kitchen this summer but now I'll be lucky to complete just the oven..

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  • mluttropp
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    Wow you are a fast builder.

    I also want to try to use a clay flue. However, I am a little concerned by the number of people that have had problems with the flue cracking. Are you insulating your flue or doing anything to try to mitigate cracking?

    matt

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  • KraemerBAC
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    Lookin good Shay...

    Peter

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  • blacknoir
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    Vent Complete

    Today I was able to get the vent bricks cut and shaved to hold the clay flue. I created a wooden template of the base of the flue to help get things just right and once I was done mortaring the bricks in place the flue slipped right into my pre-cut bricks and mortar. I then slapped some mortar around the base of the flue and filled any gaps on the inside.
    Last edited by blacknoir; 07-24-2009, 02:36 PM.

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  • KraemerBAC
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    Shay ,

    Sorry to hear about the collapse... I have been wondering about extra support as I build mine although I have a way to go before I can even consider it. Are you any where near Minneapolis??

    Peter

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  • blacknoir
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    Flue Started

    This weekend I re-fixed my front arch after it collapsed due to a lack of good buttressing. I also added more support to the sides to hopefully prevent further incidents. Honestly I think extra support should be stressed in the pompeii guide.

    Today I cut my 8x12 flue to make a tapered flue.. this wasn't that hard really.. the &@#%ty part is that I didn't actually pay attention to the measurements and realized when I was done that the flue was originally 7 1/2" x 11 1/2" and not 8 1/2" x 12" like I presumed.. which wouldn't be that big a deal except I stupidly assumed it was going to be 8 1/2" like my square flues.. so now they don't match up.. but I think I'll just cut one of my square ones up and make a small flared cap for it which matches whatever flue cap I get, which means I'll wait until I pick a cap..

    Friday I plan on trying to finish up getting the oven prepared for the tapered flue and then I'll quit for a week to let it cure before I start firing.

    -Shay

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  • blacknoir
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    Thanks Dino! I plan on taking the grinder to those little protrusions once I've cooked in it a few times and it's fairly solid.

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  • Dino_Pizza
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    Shay, so sorry to read about your arch falling. It looks really strong, good joints but like you said, you just did too much to it before it dried. I REALLY like your solution to notching the inner arch for the reveal, but bringing the reveal forward and using uncut or un-notched arch-wall bricks offset 1" for the side reveal. You were left with those little triangular points in the corners but I hope others follow your design, it looks good.

    BTW: I also used some acid to get the white off, not too successfully and it DID all burn off anyway, so don't go crazy removing it. Just sponge it down when you take a picture and it'll look super until it dries.

    Don't forget, I think it's better to tin-snip the 3/4" collar that drops down below the Duravent anchor plate so the opening is flat. If you leave it and build or brick up to it, it could expand when hot and shift or crack the bricks next to it OR if you leave some room, well then the smoke will not have a smooth escape route. Just a thought,

    Still, it all looks very nice! Dino

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