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  • #16
    Re: chimney flow rate calculator

    Thats right! Chimney hight and diameter aren't the only factors.

    My outer oven archway is higher than the inner one, and I think this causes air turbulence on the way out. Which means that the smoke comes out of the front of the oven as well as the chimney and probably also that the draw isn't as good as it could be.

    But it makes it easier to get into the oven for cooking, so I'm not grumbling...
    "Building a Brick oven is the most fun anyone can have by themselves." (Terry Pratchett... slightly amended)

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    • #17
      Re: chimney flow rate calculator

      My 40" Pompeii has an 8" steel flue 3metres high and again using the diameter dimensions in cm rather than the shown mm with the height in metres, my flow rate is 1285.7. My chimney also draws well with no smoke exiting the front arch.

      Neill
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      The more I learn, the more I realise how little I know


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      • #18
        Re: chimney flow rate calculator

        Originally posted by nissanneill View Post
        , my flow rate is 1285.7.
        Neill
        Wow I think that's the highest flow rate we have seen. Is it fast enough to suck the toppings off your pizzas ? (might as well see if we can establish a maximum draw as well)

        Bruce
        Sharpei Diem.....Seize the wrinkle dog

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        • #19
          Re: chimney flow rate calculator

          Ok,
          Here is the calculator again, but this time with units that match.
          Attached Files
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          • #20
            Re: chimney flow rate calculator

            My flow rate is 851.
            I get smoke out the front.
            I, like Frances, also have a higher arch in front.

            But I thought most of us did....

            I like my soot covered bricks.
            haha

            Dave
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            • #21
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              Dave, maybe that's the trick.

              I still have little or no soot on the arch bricks. I made a lower arch in front and also cut 45 degree angles on the bricks as they leave the oven and go up the chimney to give a smooth transistion.

              Sometimes you get lucky...

              Christo
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              http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/c...cina-1227.html
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              • #22
                Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                My guess is that the chimney will suck up a set volume of smoke or air ( per the calulcation). It will also pull from the nearest source. So if your arch is higher in the front, it will pull air from the front as well as "make up air" from the oven. Make up air being the remaining volume needed to fill the capacity of the chimney.
                I am planing to have a lower arch in the front. This should create a "smoke chamber" directly under the chimney. It should function like a surge drum or "smoke capacitor", so if the smoke volume exceeds the draw of the chimney, it can hang out for a moment and not leak out the front.
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                • #23
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                  My barrel oven has a 6"x6" square tile, chimney is a touch over 4' (51.5") and my door opening is 11.5" tall 17.125" wide. My flow comes to 668 and I only get alittle smoke out of the front on initial startup after that... zilch. Found the chimney to be one of the most intriguing things to watch work.

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                  • #24
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                    I laid in bed last night thinking about this calculator, (yeh, alright, I know I need to get a life, but I'm on holidays), and wondered what the figures would be at different times of the oven firing. You can doble check my calcs if you like as my chimney is 8" diasmeter (20cm) and 3metres tall The void is also large and catches all the smoke and directs it up the flue.
                    So with an outside temperature set at say a very pleasant 20˚C and the oven inside temps varying, the following results are:
                    at 50˚C 514.1
                    at 100˚C 781.3
                    at 150˚C 935.2
                    at 200˚C 1040.4
                    at 250˚C 1118.7
                    at 300˚C 1179.2
                    at 350˚C 1227.8
                    at 400˚C 1267.6
                    at 450˚C 1301.0
                    at 500˚C 1329.3
                    Put that into a graph and the chimney really sucks. The hotter the oven gets (and for that matter, the chimney also( then the better it draws.
                    If the oven is too hot, then either the chimney will suck off my toppings or they will burn off.
                    I guess the morel of this exercise is to not get my oven too hot!

                    Food for thought.

                    Neill
                    Last edited by nissanneill; 07-07-2008, 10:34 PM.
                    Prevention is better than cure, - do it right the first time!

                    The more I learn, the more I realise how little I know


                    Neillís Pompeiii #1
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                    Neillís kitchen underway
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                    • #25
                      Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                      I've been meaning to do some research on what is important in chimney design, so this spreadsheet was really helpful to get me started.

                      However I am really unsure about the building principles of how I join a stainless steel round flue to a rectangular brick vent base. The plans don't go into much detail and I don't have a Simpson Duratech installation guide (maybe I'll get one when I buy the flue) ?
                      Does the flue just rest on a flat square(ish) base at the top of the vent ?
                      Or is it cemented in place or ... ?
                      Can I (should I) surround the flue with a brick tower or is this not a good idea ?

                      Rather than answer these ?s here, if anyone can point me at a thread where this is discussed it would be much appreciated - the search throws up so many threads that mention chimneys that I don't know where to start...

                      TIA Roger

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                      • #26
                        Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                        Originally posted by BrritSki View Post
                        However I am really unsure about the building principles of how I join a stainless steel round flue to a rectangular brick vent base.

                        TIA Roger

                        Here is one of a few ways. I made a plug out of left over pink foam board and then cast my vent transition around it. I wanted to keep the airflow smooth and efficient. You can see a picture here;
                        http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/8/ca...nt-1692-3.html

                        Others have made some very nice brick transitions, look at some of the complete Pompeii postings.

                        Wade
                        Wade Lively

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                        • #27
                          Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                          Hi TIA Roger
                          I have attached ascan of ther drawing I made in getting the dimensions for Hendo's oven chimney which I am building for his widow.
                          The flue sections have a reduced end which slides neatly into the sleeve ring which is welded to the stainless void body. It can be sealed with silicon or if a neat fit, no sealing is needed. You could screw or rivet it but I have found that if made to close tolerance, then it will fit and stay in place. My 3 sections totalling 10 feet are unsecured and self supporting.

                          Neill
                          Prevention is better than cure, - do it right the first time!

                          The more I learn, the more I realise how little I know


                          Neillís Pompeiii #1
                          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f8/n...-1-a-2005.html
                          Neillís kitchen underway
                          http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/f35/...rway-4591.html

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                          • #28
                            Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                            Handy tool for comparing the relative draft between different ovens.

                            But something didn't look right about the figure for my oven, which came out to 935 cubic meters of air per second. That's roughly the entire volume of air in your house per second! Hmmm. Looks like the cm figures in the spread sheet didn't get converted to meters. Well the nice thing about the metric system is that you just need to move the decimal place to fix this.

                            The formula also assumes negligible losses to friction or temperature & well balanced flow. So the assumption is a well insulated chimney, very smooth vent transition & a door height/dome height ratio of ~ 63%.

                            Anyway, the tool is still very useful for comparing the draft between ovens. But just realize that the actual numbers it generates are off by four decimal places. My oven doesn't draft 935 m?/s. It's more like 0.0935 m?/s or about 3.3 cubic feet per second. Unless there is a tornado overhead.

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                            • #29
                              Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                              Darn!!! I thought I fixed that. I'll get it repaired and repost with the more realistic numbers.
                              Sharpei Diem.....Seize the wrinkle dog

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                              • #30
                                Re: chimney flow rate calculator

                                Hey Pacoast
                                Thanks for catching those errors. I generated that spreadsheet in about 10 minutes and continue to fine tune as people spot problems. I only intended it as a quick tool for forum members to figure out if they had enough draw.
                                Anyone or anything that can improve it is great. Please feel free to update, correct etc to make it better and then post so we can all benefit. I don't think there is any protection of the spreadsheet so have at it. If there is protection, drop me a line and I will send you a new copy.

                                Bruce
                                Sharpei Diem.....Seize the wrinkle dog

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