Yeast Quantity

[dalucca2003]

Re: Yeast Quantity

Mixed up a batch of dough for this weekend and made a "triple" batch. I used 1500 g. of flour, 30 g. of salt, 945 g. of water and 6 g. of yeast. The batch did take a bit longer to rise, but otherwise no issues. Now I can't wait to taste the modified dough recipe Saturday night.

[dalucca2003]

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fyi,
the "new" recipe calls for 500 g. flour and 20 g. salt
that's double the "old" recipe of 10 g.
sounds kind of salty
i'm new at this but i've had my best results by elimating the rising step and just puttting the dough overnight in the fridge
perry

I would think the 20g. of salt is for 1000 g. of flour.

[pizzaziggy]

Re: Yeast Quantity

fyi,
the "new" recipe calls for 500 g. flour and 20 g. salt
that's double the "old" recipe of 10 g.
sounds kind of salty
i'm new at this but i've had my best results by elimating the rising step and just puttting the dough overnight in the fridge
perry

[CanuckJim]

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Dutch,

Pain de Mie pans and Pullman pans are exactly the same thing, just a language difference. The Pullman term was coined in North America because the pans resemble Pullman train cars and they were used in train kitchens across the continent, probably because they're compact, stack easily and you could put several side by side in a small oven. I can understand the price of the tin lined imported jobs, like mine is, but not the domestic steel versions. There are also French tube pans with end caps in the shapes of hearts, stars and so on, used to make fancy canape breads. The square loaf slices can be cut in simple triangles, open faced or sandwich, for instant canapes. One loaf will make many, many of these.

The standard pan is 13" long x 4" wide x 4" tall. I makes about a three pound square loaf. However, I couldn't pass up a super deal ($25) on a monster five pound pan from a restaurant supplier who had brought some in for a customer who never showed up for them.

Most Pain de Mie recipes are for an enriched white bread, but there are also recipes for percentage whole wheat, but the possibilities are endless. I've made it with fresh oregano or basil or....

I haven't really gotten into the yeast discussion in this thread because other members really have it covered when it comes to amounts, rise times, retarded or not, etc.

Jim

[RTflorida]

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David, thank you. I will put your advice to use in my experimentation.

As I think I mentioned in another thread; my dough has always been pretty good (better than any pizza I have had in the US), just lacking consistancy which I think is due to the time constraints and following the original basic recipe to the letter (I have added EVO with good success). I'm been certain I needed to adjust something, but not sure what. I will try your ideas and make dough on Fridays - make Sundays my official pizza day. thanks again.

RT

[james]

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I wrote this page a long time ago, so it will need some work, but the theory is there.

Let's see if we can develop a good Dough in Hurry recipe:

http://www.fornobravo.com/pizza/pizz...-inahurry.html

[Dutchoven]

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James,
I definitely agree that information with regard to both options are important...because I am sure many others have had both experiences...planning the pizza night days in advance... and the impromtu "Honey, I invited the so-n-sos over for pizza tonight!" four hours before dinner time!

Dmun
I meant no disrespect and I wholeheartedly concur with taking the simple ingredients of dough and making the experience sometimes rather sublime...incidentally what part of NJ specifically?...curious because I went to College in North Jersey and still have family there...
All the best to everyone!
Dutch

I am looking for pain de mie pan also...have had a couple of people ask about it...a bakery here advertises a loaf "pain de mie" but the don't use a lid...and therefiore it has a crust...I have found some listed as pullman pans with lids but "pricey" indeed.

[CanuckJim]

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All,

Blush, thanks guys. Really, I'm still learning, as we all are.

Dmun,

Consider getting yourself a pain de mie pan (the one with the lid). The French invented this gadget to make perfectly square sandwich bread with practically no crust. And, man, can you slice it thin. You'll find the pans at places like King Aurthur Flour or Williams Sonoma (both pricey) or at better restaurant gear suppliers. I'd be pleased to send you a recipe or two.

Jim

[dalucca2003]

Re: Yeast Quantity

I totally agree. It will undo some confusion (like myself) and hopefully everyone will enjoy their dough making experience.

[jwnorris]

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One day you look up, and your bread is better than anything you can buy -- with the exception of Mary G's.

For those of us who search ... Mary G's is the holy grail.

J W

[james]

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Perhaps we should divide this into "dough in a hurry", which is synchronized to an evening meal or firing your oven, and a standard dough, where you have more control over timing and rising.

If we do this, we can put more effort into times and measures for more rapid doughs.

Any thoughts?
James

[dalucca2003]

Re: Yeast Quantity

The FornoBravo recipe was intended for making dough in the same 90 or 100 minutes that it took to fire up your oven. It works fast, and it tastes like yeast, which which is great for a lot of people.

Dmun....thanks for clarifying. Now it makes sense to add that much yeast. We almost always make our dough for pizza's on Thursday to be used on Saturday or Sunday. I am definitely going to cut back on the yeast. Now the question is ADY or instant yeast. Any difference?

[james]

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... which is not as easy as it may sound, particularly if, like me, you are in the process of becoming a bread snob.

The point of no return. One day you look up, and your bread is better than anything you can buy -- with the exception of Mary G's.

James

[dmun]

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Keep in mind that if you use 10 gr yeast to 500 gr flour it is only a 2% addition in the formula...which in many cases is exactly what is used for most bread. IMHO if you are doing an overnight or longer refridgerated proof using commercial yeast you could cut that in half. The amount of yeast could be reduced nearly to nothing if the purpose were to create a longer fermentation time...3 gr to 1000 grams is minimal and 4 hours to double is acting more like a sourdough...no disrespect Dmun...I think it must give you a very interesting flavor that you could almost say would be truly your own. 10 gr per 1000 seems to make good sense to me.

The amount of yeast is a function of how fast you want it to work. The FornoBravo recipe was intended for making dough in the same 90 or 100 minutes that it took to fire up your oven. It works fast, and it tastes like yeast, which which is great for a lot of people. I've been making bread off and on since I was a teenager, back when the glaciers were melting the first time, and that's how I always did it.

The Lahey/NYT no-kneed bread opened my eyes about how ordinary flour could taste like wheat, rather than the stuff you added to it. The make-it-wet/let-it-sit/treat-it-gently/cook-it-hot plan works great with the original recipe, but it also has wider application.

I'm now working on making a loaf of bread that you can slice and use for sandwiches, which is not as easy as it may sound, particularly if, like me, you are in the process of becoming a bread snob.

[james]

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James,

Should it be 1.5 gr. with 500 gr of flour. It looks like Dmun is adding 3 gr. with 1000 gr. of flour which seems to make more sense.

Either works. 1.5g/500g or 3g/1000g.

Let us know how it works,
James