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  • #46
    Made some progress yesterday. Finished cutting my bricks and built the sand castle.
    Used my template to mark the bricks and used a tile wet saw to cut them. Made the whole process much easier than using the angle grinder.
    My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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    • #47
      Went ahead and cut a 45degree angle off the entry bricks. Unfortunately I had to do this with the angle grinder, since the wet saw didn't have a large enough blade to cut this angle. worked out OK.
      Filled the gap with CalSil and left the top 3/4 in empty. I will either fill it with vermicrete or just let it fill up with ash. Not sure it really makes a difference.
      My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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      • #48
        The sand castle went well, but I used approx. 250 lbs of sand even though I used all the bricks and misc. shards that I could find to fill up the middle. I should have looked for more material to fill the center. It taks a LOT of sand.
        My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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        • #49
          Just noticed this morning that the plate in front of the dome is not large enough. I only accounted for the 1 1/2" of rebate for the door to fit against, but not the part where the gallery abuts the dome. Nothing that can't be fixed with a bit of duct tape and a few screws.
          The areas of the opening looks like it is going to take a lot of Homebrew. 1 1/2" for the rebate + 1 1/2" for the gallery to sit against.
          My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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          • #50
            Filled the gap with CalSil and left the top 3/4 in empty. I will either fill it with vermicrete or just let it fill up with ash. Not sure it really makes a difference.
            In my opinion it does. We know that hardwood ash is consumable, in at least small quantities

            I used ceramic fiber for the bottom 1" of my floor heat break and let the top fill in with ash.
            Last edited by Gulf; 10-24-2021, 05:38 PM.
            Joe Watson " A year from now, you will wish that you had started today" My Build Album / My Build

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            • #51
              Thanks, i guess that's what I will do then
              My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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              • #52
                Cast the dome yesterday. Wrapped it in a wet blanket and covered it with plastic. Rain is forecast for today.
                Will let it cure until tomorrow before I remove the door mold and sand to check out the inside.

                Used almost 200 lbs of sand for casting the dome.
                Used a bit less than 1.5 parts of water in the 3:1:1:1 Homebrew.
                I mixed the dry materials including the SS melt extract needles and the polypro burnout fibres in cement mixer, then poured it into a tub and added the water and mixed by hand.
                Ended up using 750ml of SS needles and a handful of burnout fibers per 5 gallon bucket of dry mix.
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                I felt it was a bit difficult to get the right consistency. The first batch was a bit too wet, so the first layer has sagged a bit. The second batch was maybe a bit too dry, making it more difficult to press it against the form.

                We'll see how it worked when I remove the sand.

                Pictures to follow. Looks like a big blue tap at the moment
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                My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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                • #53
                  Looks like I used more material than what was in the Excel calculator spreadsheet I was working with.
                  The spreadsheet came out to 25 gallons of dry mix for the dome and the gallery (before blending the 3:1:1:1 mixture together).

                  I ended up using 6 x 5 gallon buckets filled to the brim (30+ gallons) of dry material before mixing it, and that was only for the dome.

                  According to the spreadsheet the gallery should use approx. 15% of the material used for the dome, so I'm hoping that one 5 gallon bucket will be enough for that.
                  My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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                  • #54
                    Great job. Regarding quantities remember that when the finer materials (cement lime and clay) are mixed with the coarser ones (sand) they will fill the voids so you end up with a reduced volume. In addition the volume will further compact when water is mixed with the dry mix to make the workable castable. Perhaps this was not taken into consideration with th spreadsheet calculator.
                    As the home-brew contains portland cement it should be damp cured for at least a week, so keep it well covered if you remove the sand.
                    As you've found, the consistency is hard to attain, too wet and it will slump. too dry and you'll get more voids. The next one you build for a friend will be far easier.
                    Last edited by david s; 10-25-2021, 06:26 PM.
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                    • #55
                      David,
                      thanks for the comments. Yes, I understand that the volume gets reduced. But the spreadsheet i used (from this site) was trying to take that i to account from what I can see. I'll have to take another look at it just out of curiosity.

                      Yes, am planning to keep it covered to cure damp.

                      Are you suggesting to leave the sand in for the week of damp curing? I think I read that i should remove the sand on day 2 so that I can fill in any voids if there are any.

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                      My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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                      • #56
                        Either or, providing the casting is still damp, filling the voids should be ok either way. Not sure what your sand is like, but you will find a finer mix is better. You can do this by simply sieving out the coarse grains.
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                        • #57
                          Will wait anther day.
                          I am planning to build a form for the gallery today.
                          I will cast the gallery in place in front of the oven after removing the sand from the dome. It will be easier to remove the sand and bricks without the gallery.
                          The gallery and form should close up the dome again so that it will stay moist on the inside.
                          My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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                          • #58
                            Yes, that’s a reasonable plan. It gives you easier access to fill any voids without the gallery in place. You will need to make a larger template for the front of the gallery.
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                            • #59
                              Wasn't able to build the form for the gallery today, but took off the front template so that I can reuse it for the front of the oven.
                              I think I need:
                              • For the entrance to the gallery I will reuse the same template but add to the bottom, so that it can sit in front of the firebricks
                              • For the end of the gallery that abuts the oven opening, I will make a new template, 1 1/2" narrower and lower
                              This gives me a 1 1/2" recess against which I can rest the door and a 1 1/2" thick gallery.
                              I actually made a mistake when I first cut the template for the dome opening and made it only 1 1/2" larger than the opening itself. That's why the duct tape is there.

                              I can see some voids on the face where the gallery will connect. I'm not planning on doing anything with those voids. Most of them will be covered by the gallery.
                              Will be interesting to see how many voids I get on the inside when I remove the sand.

                              Covered it back up with a wet linen and a plastic sheet to keep it moist.
                              My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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                              • #60
                                david s , how do I make sure that when I fill any voids on the inside the patches don't fall off into my pizza?
                                Here is what I have found in other threads:
                                • make sure the casting is still moist
                                • maybe moisten the casting a bit
                                • screen out the larger sand (I have #30 sand, which already is quite fine)
                                I assume there is a tradeoff between not filling small voids and running the risk that something does not bind properly and falls off at some point.
                                Maybe only fill large voids (but then again, what is large?).
                                What is the reason behind filling voids at all? Is it necessary or just cosmetic?

                                If the voids I end up with are similar to the ones on the front face in the picture in the post above, should I fill them or just leave them be?

                                Any insight and recommendation would be very much appreciated!
                                My oven build thread https://community.fornobravo.com/for...y-32-cast-oven

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