Creating PDF for Pompeii Oven plans

[Abigail111]

Re: Creating PDF for Pompeii Oven plans

YOU can create pdf easily if you have a pdf plugin,which can create or process pdf

[jengineer]

BobC

BobC please drop me a line

[jengineer]

Pete drop me line -

ldiver61@yahoo.com

patrick

[KiwiPete]

Happy to help as well...

[paulages]

i'll contribute in any way i can, but don't have so much free time right now. somebody PM me with specifics if i can be of any help.

[jengineer]

marcel steps up - another editor

Spot on Marcel

1.0.Foundation
2.0.Stand
2.1 Block wall
2.2 Brick wall
2.3 Other derivations
3.0 Hearth
3.1 2003 style insulating hearth topped with refractory cement
3.2 2006 style reinforced concrete topped with insulating hearth
3.2.1 2006 island same as 3.2 with a thermal concete mass layer
3.2 derivation metal try filled with insulating hearth and island
4.0 the floor aka hearth bricks
5.0 the dome
6.0 insulation
6.1 loose fill
6.2 wrap
7.0 finish
7.1 igloo
7.1.1 mosaic
7.1.2 copper
7.2 gable
7.2.1 faux tile, tile, composition
7.2.2 grass roof
8.0 curing and fire building
9.0 the official napoli pizza
appendix
tools from forno bravo

note all spelling errors in this response are not my fault

essentially use the current instructions and graphics as the backbone.

I would like to thank the following members members who have volunteered ;-) to help in this endeavour, in no particular order, as contributing editors.
alf
FDN1 - Fred
davidk
colonelcorn - Jim
bobc
aikitarik - Tarik
kiwipete
paulages
robert musa
svtlightning - mike
dmun

Oopps this isn't the army, ahh, if you are willling to lend your words then drop me a line off line ldiver61@yahoo.com. If you are on the list we will probably want your permission to use your photos.

If I left you off of my thank you for volunteering list then please drop me a line. Once this gets going I may ask our moderator to set up a editors only folder.

thanks

patrick

[Marcel]

Consider a Glossary and use of consistent terms

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(P) Editors (yeah you need to volunteer) please drop me a line and I will send you the first cut word files.

(M) I'm not sure what kind of a commitment a volunteer to this project is expected to make but if I can work Ad Hoc? please feel free to send me text files (no images as I have only Dial Up Networking)


(P) Right now the documents are a total of ~4.5 Meg. Then send me inputs. Fred - if those that have built an oven will step up to either be an editor or write up what they would have done or did diffferently and send the photos then we can incorporate the wall-of-tribal-knowledge into the instruction string or have an appendix of lessons learned.

(M) This is a HUGE undertaking, Patrick and you deserve a lot of credit but you also need a lot of grunt work help. My first suggestion is the establishment of a Glossary and input from the 4-5 regular heavy contributors on TERMS.

(M) Because those of us who have already completed our ovens know what we mean when we say "slab" we mustn't assume that "slab" is clear to a Newbie. You could save a Newbie some confusion by making a clear distinction between the "Bottom Earth Foundation" (BEF?) and the "Top Hearth Oven Slab" (THOS?)

(M) I know that I'm compulsive on some issues but in this case, because the cement mixture proportions are so different, I think some redundant clarification may actually be appropriate.

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(P) I will make the obvious edits to the documents and then send them out to the contributing editors.

(P) When I find out who the editors are we will have some discussions off line.

(P) James - I will take responsibility for the american .doc

patrick

(M) I think James set a good precedent with his initial instructions by breaking the process into about 5 stages. I suggest we continue from the bottom up so we have a good foundation.

1- "Bottom Earth Foundation" (BEF?)

2- "Concrete Block Stand"

3- "Top Hearth Oven Slab" (THOS?)

4- "Hearth Bricks" (HB?)

5- "Igloo Dome" ( ID?)

6- "Insulation"

7- "Housing"

(M) (You could have Sub Sections within each of these if needed.)

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(M) I like Fred's suggestion that:

(F) "would suggest that a chapter on lessons learned by the members would be a most valuable addition to the effort-if one was not already contemplated."

(M) In that regard, I'd like to amplify his thought to either have 2 separate chapters, or arrange each of the above 7 general areas into 2 sections or columns, if practical, to include:

1- LESSONS LEARNED ....... & ....... 2-IMPROVEMENTS MADE

(M) All of this posting is intended *only* as suggestions. My participation is not contingent upon it's acceptance.

Ciao,

Marcel

[james]

Grazie molto Patrick,

We can send message around offline. Thanks for taking this on -- we're all looking forward to seeing the final plans.

James

[jengineer]

James - I "talked" to Alf and sent him the links to the word files. It is a rather simple step to include the units, however NASA has had problems with that in the past.

Editors (yeah you need to volunteer) please drop me a line and I will send you the first cut word files. Right now the documents are a total of ~4.5 Meg. Then send me inputs. Fred - if those that have built an oven will step up to either be an editor or write up what they would have done or did diffferently and send the photos then we can incorporate the wall-of-tribal-knowledge into the instruction string or have an appendix of lessons learned.

I have asked Alf to write up a section with photos for the hearth that he builds. He has dropped the concrete reinforced hearth for a mild steel tray with supports and then pours the vermiculite into it followed by the island.

We are dedicating my mid-life crisis this weekend so I will not be able to clean up the .doc files this month In the next 2 weeks I will make the obvious edits to the documents and then send them out to the contributing editors.

When I find out who the editors are we will have some discussions off line.

James - I will take responsibility for the american .doc

patrick

[james]

There is a lot good input here. We'll even be able to read the instructions in "real" English, thanks to Alf. Does anyone want to be responsible for taking over control of the American .doc editing? I think that is the first important step -- taking multiple inputs and creating the text and graphics file.

Let me know.
James

[fdn1]

Lessons learned chapter

I also believe updating the plans in some format such as PDF would be most appreciated by those planning to build a Pompeii style oven. I have always found in the past that one can profit considerably from a review of past mistakes in any effort made and thus would suggest that a chapter on lessons learned by the members would be a most valuable addition to the effort-if one was not already contemplated.

[Alf]

I think this is a great idea and will benefit lots of people, of course being over the pond we in the old world have the correct terminology for building terms, much different from you younger cousins. Joking apart ? a UK version would be great so I will volunteer to convert / edit it into UK builder format. Any other daft Brit / European around with experience / ideas who would want to contribute?

Alf

[jengineer]

review and edit

So I started a private message to James but as I was doing that I ran to the forum....

yep edit it in Word. You will see that when I first did this I added in the Napoli Pizza recipe at what I thought was the end, before Jim's gable enclosure. An editor would put this at the very end or in an Appendix. As for the steps to take , yes I agree with the possible exception of loading in the pics after the text is written. You would do this is you were starting from scratch. I did not save the pics seperate from the word documents (there are 6 files and each file is less than 1.3 meg). There are also about 4 pdfs that could possibly be added to the files. Since this is an already written document it would be easier to make suggested text changes, delete photos that are no longer accurate to today's builder and then add in members photos as appropriate.

Some comments to add would be stipulation for local building code and other CYA verbiage. South California may now allow dry stacking. I think the major place for editing is the hearth. The classic instruction is vermiculite mix, followed by the reinfoced thermal layer concrete mix. If I understand the current train of thought you would now place the structural cement first followed by the vermiculite insulating layer and then either place the floor of the oven directly on the insulating layer or pour a thermal island for more heat mass.

Looking at Yahoo I believe I can upload the 6 word files and a few text strings on wood and proper use of olive oil into a Briefcase folder. Once there , according to Yahoo, I could then invite users to pull out copies of the files. Of course freebies have limits - when you upload it says it limits you to 5 meg - not a problem since my files are cut up and the total Briefcase size is 30 meg. I will upload the first cut of this tonight and then james can tell me who to send them to. Right now the instruction string with photos is over 80 pages.

David is correct, making the word file a PDF is the easy part. The hard part is to mark up what I have done.

Decision for James
- Who to choose for editors , James should have the final say
- Yes I will volunteer to clean up what I have written, I will even use a spell checker :-). My next step is to take what I have done and mark it 06V000
also known as 2006 Version 000.


James back to you.

patrick

[james]

David,

Thanks.

Patrick has forwarded me the .doc files. I think we can benefit from multiple sets of eyes. It seems like the flow is the following:

1. Pick one person for master document control (the owner)
2. Accept input from multiple sources
3. Create clean text as a .doc.
4. Pick the right photos and insert them in the .doc in the right places
5. Export to pdf
6. Compress with Acrobat

If anyone wants to see the .doc and either edit within word, or write on hardcopy, let me know.

Patrick, do you want to take control over the master .doc file, and accept input.

James

[DavidK]

Patrick, Robert, Marcel and James, the pdf part is easy. I'm happy to proof the copy or serve as a second set of eyes. I too am sure that anyone approached would be happy to share their pictures, since they've already done that on the boards, as long as no one's making money from it. Frankly, I wouldn't care one way or the other-I've gotten so much value from the site--and I'd be surprised if anyone else felt differently. Anyway, count me in for whatever you need. Having just gone through the building process, I have a good list of photos I'd recommend for reference.