Dino's 42" Pizza Oven Starts

[Dino_Pizza]

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Sounds like a plan-in-the-making. I'll let you know John, if anything happens.
-Dino

[Pompeii Nate]

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Hey Dino and John,

I will private message both of you to see what we can throw together if you are both serious.

Nate

[brickie in oz]

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I'm open to anyone who wants to visit to see "Petra Forno". (I've named my oven )

Love at first light was it?

You know when its good when you actually name your oven.

[Ilkay]

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Dino,

Here are two pics of my 36 inch oven. I am in the process of finishing. Initially I was planning to get a stucco guy to finish it off. Today he quoted me $3500. I was woowed. He said he will apply a primer and a syntetic mesh and the stucco over it. I already put durock cement boards.

Now thinking of doing stucco myself or ordering stone and veneer it.

You did stucco yourself. Do you recommend stucco or stone? Was stucco tough to do?

Another question for you is you didnt use a mesh for stone to hold on too. Like Pizzabob used a wire mesh and then stone over it. Do you think mesh is necessary for either stone or stucco. Can I do any application directly over cinder block or durock cement board.

Your help is much appreciated.

Thanks, ilkay

[GianniFocaccia]

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Today he quoted me $3500

$3500! Ha! That's ludicrous. It's amazing that guys can sleep at night after raping uneducated buyers. Caveat emptor.

[Ilkay]

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What do you guys think about this http://www.wsrar.com/2011/HI%20Artic...%20article.pdf
This is a good read and very informative.

[GianniFocaccia]

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Intriguing revelations. Probably best to be moved to another thread.

[Dino_Pizza]

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Hey Ilkay,
I was gone for a few days hiking in Yosemite (ok, and some tasting seminars too ) and just got your posts.

1st: your oven looks great. It looks well made, I really like your Sketchup drawing. It should look quite nice whatever material you clad the exterior with.

I put on cement board then just 1 screed of Type S mortar it held my manufactured stone just fine. I pastry-bagged in between the joints and it was done. Now on the BACK-side and inside of my storage cubby's, I used that 1 coat stuff from Quick-krete that's got the fibers in it and 'looks' like stucco.

Boy, I really don't know what I'd recommend. I found the stone veneer finish, done the way I did it (virtually EVERY stone-yard said to do it this way, with just the quality type S mortar) was just right for my skill level and tools.

The stuff I did on on the back (I can't remember what it's called) is just a 1 coat process but if I were to truly stucco my oven, I would go with the 2 coat process and wire mesh I've seen. I'd have to learn it somehow.

You should be able do to do either, it's just a choice.
Good luck,
-Dino

[Aegis]

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I put on cement board then just 1 screed of Type S mortar it held my manufactured stone just fine. I pastry-bagged in between the joints and it was done. Now on the BACK-side and inside of my storage cubby's, I used that 1 coat stuff from Quick-krete that's got the fibers in it and 'looks' like stucco.

Boy, I really don't know what I'd recommend. I found the stone veneer finish, done the way I did it (virtually EVERY stone-yard said to do it this way, with just the quality type S mortar) was just right for my skill level and tools.
-Dino

Hi Dino,
I am almost at the same place Ilkay is in his build. (btw super job Ilkay) And of course Dino your oven build is one of THE BEST!
I have cement black base and then steel studs and cement board above which I was told type S mortar would "veneer" pavers to both those surfaces. On the cement board I am planning on putting in screws through the board and studs but leaving them out about 1/8 to 1/4 inch for the veneer S mortar to grip around. I didn't use anything around the base of cement block and I will see how that fairs though a New England winter. But for the past six months it is like steel!
Good Luck
ILkay
Dino, You haven't only inspired (means I copied a lot from your build) a good portion of my build, but the cooking you have done, well I have gained five pounds just looking at your pics and reading the descriptions.
Thanks
John

[Dino_Pizza]

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Thanks so much John for the kind words. I'm very happy to have inspired anything in anyone, especially food related. I think ALL weight gain is the fault of this FB website

I just remembered Ilkay, what I was trying to describe: I used Quikcrete Surface Bonding Cement for my "stucco-like" finish I used on the back of the oven and inside my block wood storage areas. As I put it on, it did not seem like it would cover because it's very thin and you CANNOT work it with the trowel; you're suppose to just squish it on with a trowel and spread a little but the more you 'work' it the more it begins to stick to the trowel and not on your block or cement board. But for my small areas, it was fine. I believe Kebwi (Kieth) did his entire dome/planter with the stuff and it looks great.

Here is the before pic showing the back of my oven with the access door for electrical (and the wfo elves home)




And here is what the finish 'stucco' product looks like:


It's a small area behind the oven but if I were to do the entire enclosure in it, I think 'real' stucco would have looked better. Then, again, I might have worked a little harder at making it look thicker like real stucco too.

thanks, Dino

[Ilkay]

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I endup using 60 minutes Jumbo TEX tar or building paper, metal mesh and cladding. My next step is to install the lights and mantel, granite countertop and install texas cream cultured stone. This is more work that I have imagined. Here is a recent pics. Thanks for the kind words.

Here are the pics for my build http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/memb...-my-build.html

This whole thing took me 5 months to build.

[Dino_Pizza]

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THIS POST IS FOR POMPEII NATE (and anyone else who wants to see a pdf file 2 sheets) of my block stand, row by row and how many blocks I used and what type. I needed this so I knew how many block and what types to buy, since I'm notorious for over-buying if I don't have a list.

On sheet P2, I list the number or 16" wide reg. blocks, 8" blocks, the row of 1/2 height blocks I needed to get to the final oven height I wanted (about 41-42") and the top row of open-cell blocks for the "bond-beam" course.

Ilkay: The pics of your oven are great. All the experience and hard work you gain in texture coating, floating and filling can be used in pizza making . At least that's what I told MYSELF to keep me going.

Here is the pdf file. I'll try to see if I can post both or just part 1 and part 2 to follow.

Hey, I think it worked!

[Pompeii Nate]

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Thanks Dino for the quick response. I hope you didn't go make those two pdf's just for me but I really appreciate you sharing them. It is a perfect visual. You don't know how much you have helped. So is the oven high enough for your liking (how tall are you)? I am still concerned about making it high enough for me but not too high for my wife who is 5'8". I was thinking about a 42" to 44" cooking floor. Does that sound about right? I remember reading somewhere that elbow height is the general consensus so I guess I need to measure how high that is on me. Anyway...thanks again for all your help.

Thanks!

Nate

[Dino_Pizza]

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Your welcome Nate. I had the drawings in autocad, so it was no problem to organize on those pdfs.

My oven floor height is 43.2" off the ground.
My counter is 10.75" deep.
My oven landing area (outer arch to inner arch) is 15"

I'm 5-11" in shoes (and surrounded by friends who call them themselves "6-footers" and I'm clearly taller than them )

I was talking with my other half about this and he's 5-7" and he says he really likes our ovens 42" diameter. He wouldn't go any smaller since we often will have 2-3 casserole pans in them and a small coal pile in back and there's room to turn things.

He also says that the height is fine for him and if it was 1" or 1-1/2" taller, he would be fine too although he clearly stretches. A longer fire poker or brush might be needed. So the consensus at "our house" is 43.2" to 45" (max) would have worked out great. I think 42.75" is my elbow height.

To get to the oven height you want is a function of the 8" concrete blocks (or half-blocks) and your top slab; everyone strives for 4" but if it has steel in it, I would go 3.5" or up to 6", whatever it takes to get your finish floor height. Most insulation boards are 2" deep but if you went with vermi-crete instead, you could custom pour that (at least 4") to get your correct height.

So I think your 44" sounds like a good plan for you.

Cheers, Dino

[Pompeii Nate]

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Once again, you are a wealth of information. Thanks Dino!!