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  • ggoose
    Apprentice
    • Sep 2010
    • 202

    #196
    Re: Round shape

    What about rope gaskit used on wood stove doors and the like? You could grind a small channel into the outer arch bricks to hold it in place, but not deep enough to swallow the gaskit such that the inner and outer bricks touch...

    Just a thought.

    gene

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    • GianniFocaccia
      Il Pizzaiolo
      • Jun 2009
      • 1645

      #197
      Re: Round shape

      I will be putting tons of insulating blanket over the dome and around the bottom part of the flue, but I don't know how one would make a heat gap around the outer arch
      I think Gene's gasket idea is a viable approach. Any gap (tscarborough recommends just a 1/4" air gap) will help as a thermal break. I would be inclined to cut the enclosure bricks so they make contact with the entryway just on the exterior surface. This would minimize the size of the thermal bridge and doesn't have to make a perfect seal since no smoke is ever gonna through there.
      John

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      • david s
        Il Pizzaiolo
        • Mar 2007
        • 9209

        #198
        Re: Round shape

        This is how I did mine. The outer decorative arch it completely isolated from the gallery, the floor and the dome. I filled the gap with 6:1 vermicrete.
        Kindled with zeal and fired with passion.

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        • Mike D
          Journeyman
          • Oct 2010
          • 342

          #199
          Re: Round shape

          The mortar will transfer the heat like the brick will. How is this any different than any other build? An igloo style will be touching the outer arch as well as square brick enclosures, right?

          Mike

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          • Mike D
            Journeyman
            • Oct 2010
            • 342

            #200
            Re: Round shape

            I was thinking about using a thin layer of vermicurete, but didn't know if that would work.

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            • david s
              Il Pizzaiolo
              • Mar 2007
              • 9209

              #201
              Re: Round shape

              It works and is flexible slightly so copes with expansion pressure
              Kindled with zeal and fired with passion.

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              • Mike D
                Journeyman
                • Oct 2010
                • 342

                #202
                Re: Round shape

                Ok- so if I put a 3/8" layer of vermicucrete between the outer arch and the decorative brick enclosure, I could still put a mortar seal on the front (outer/showing side). should I use high temp mortar or just the regular mortar that I will be using for the rest of the outer brick enclosure?

                Mike

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                • david s
                  Il Pizzaiolo
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 9209

                  #203
                  Re: Round shape

                  Just use the vermicete mix.If you're concerned about it not coping with heat make it up with lime instead of portland, but I don't and it works OK
                  Last edited by david s; 09-03-2011, 01:07 PM.
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                  • brickie in oz
                    Il Pizzaiolo
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 3445

                    #204
                    Re: Round shape

                    Insulating fire bricks?
                    The English language was invented by people who couldnt spell.

                    My Build.

                    Books.

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                    • david s
                      Il Pizzaiolo
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 9209

                      #205
                      Re: Round shape

                      Originally posted by brickie in oz
                      Insulating fire bricks?
                      They will insulate but they're not flexible, so you won't get any cushioning benefit.A high temp caulk is another option.
                      Last edited by david s; 09-03-2011, 01:31 PM.
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                      • Mike D
                        Journeyman
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 342

                        #206
                        Re: Round shape

                        I have to use some sort of mortar for aesthetic reasons, even if it is only a superficial. The vermicrete is not the most beautiful mix.

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                        • david s
                          Il Pizzaiolo
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 9209

                          #207
                          Re: Round shape

                          If you puddle around with it a bit you can get a smooth surface on the top.
                          Kindled with zeal and fired with passion.

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                          • Mike D
                            Journeyman
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 342

                            #208
                            Re: Round shape

                            -Should I put a layer of the vermicrete first let it cure and then put the bricks on?

                            -I was thinking I could float the bricks on the sides without putting the vermicrete until I was close enough to go over the top of the outer arch (that would be when I would need the support of the vermicrete). Then I could fill in the sides with the vermicrete and go over the top at the same time and have it all a little more connected. (did that make sense?)
                            -That might end up being more work as I think about it.

                            Mike

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                            • david s
                              Il Pizzaiolo
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 9209

                              #209
                              Re: Round shape

                              Sorry Mike I can't visualise what you mean. Can you post a photo?
                              Kindled with zeal and fired with passion.

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                              • Mike D
                                Journeyman
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 342

                                #210
                                Re: Round shape

                                I was basically thinking of building up the sides of the brick enclosure without touching the outer arch and filling in the vermicucrete after/when I needed it to go over the top of the arch. But I don't think it is necessary. I will put a nice layer of vermicucrete on first and let it set up for a day or so then mortar the bricks to it.

                                Mike

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