K79 Oven Build

[shuboyje]

Re: K79 Oven Build

Shuboyje, you are building a Neapolitan vent aren't you?

Yes and no. Yes my second oven has a Neapolitan vent in that it vents back over the dome and goes vertical once it is at the center, but the landing area varies greatly from a Neapolitan oven. In a Neapolitan oven they have essentially zero landing because the entire front of the oven is uninsulated. My oven is insulated fully on the front and around the vent, so I have a 6" landing, the same depth as the insulation.

My first oven had a welded metal vent that was straight up. It was still only 6" deep. Any future ovens I build for home use will have a setup similar to this.

As for "hacking" the metal, maybe my profession(sheet metal worker) has me jaded, but I would think anyone building a brick dome could cut a couple inches of metal and drill some new holes for the tapcons.

My context probably jades my opinion on this, but it is still worth mentioning. My context being that I build low dome small doored Neapolitan inspired pizza ovens. My current oven is 42" with a 18x8 arched entry. The simple task of building a fire in the center of the oven would be impossible if I had landings as long as you guys build, let along accessing the oven to cook 3 pizzas at a time in under 60 seconds.

[Tscarborough]

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Shuboyje, you are building a Neapolitan vent aren't you?

[deejayoh]

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It's pretty easy to adjust the reach to the oven by offsetting vent depth with the landing depth, instead of hacking at sheet metal.

that said, I never have any problems with the depth of my landing, and my observation is that there are very few landings on this forum that are < 11"

[shuboyje]

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The plate is just sheet metal. Cut it. Who wants 11" between them and their oven. I've built mine from sheet metal for both my ovens to keep it at 6" and will do the same on any oven I ever build.

[deejayoh]

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well, even with a 6" vent you have an 11" plate - so no matter how you do it, you are looking at a >1 brick deep landing. I think 11" is easier to build than 10". Full + half brick gives you ~11 3/8". No waste, fewer cuts, easier to stagger the arch.

[K79]

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Your right, that is a large anchor plate. So everyone that puts on a Duravent 7" or greater needs at a minimum vent landing of at least 11". There must be some way to offset it right? All in the brick work I guess.

[deejayoh]

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I meant to say that if I were you, I would order 7" hardware. Sounds like that is the right size for your opening anyway.

http://www.ventingpipe.com/simpson-d.../c1559?f3370=7

edit: also - with a cross section of ~38.5", it probably works with your proposed vent with the major *assumption* that you can handle the 11 x 11 inch mounting plate.

[K79]

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[QUOTE=deejayoh;148440] I'd order 7" hardware (I think duravent sells) just to be safe. I have 8" on my 39" oven

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Did you meant to say you ordered 7" hardware? I'm confused?

[K79]

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Yes I'm building a 36" oven. The FB plans said to use a 6" SS Chimney. I'll look into the 8" ss if you think it's necessary. Also to determine the vent opening it's 15% of the oven opening area. *light bulb just came on* So my oven opening area is 208.91sqin which would make my vent opening minimum 31.33sqin.

[deejayoh]

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the design looks good, but how big is your oven? Can't remember if you are doing a 36" or larger.

Six inch is borderline for a 36" oven, IMHO. My experience is that I would upsize the chimney a bit to be on the safe side. I'd order 7" hardware (I think duravent sells) just to be safe. I have 8" on my 39" oven

Also - others will probably chime in here - but I think the rule of thumb for chimney size is based on % of your opening dimensions, not oven radius. So that's probably a whole 'nother math problem.

[K79]

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Ok so I'm wondering if the size of my vent arch bricks are ok for the design I would like to do. Also what do you guys think of the area of my vent opening?

[K79]

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Bread Earth and Fire. Has anyone read this book? Come to find out the guy who wrote it lives a few minutes from my house! I've eaten at his brick oven restaurant quite a bit and it's amazing!

[K79]

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My studs are placed so they themselves are not an issue. What I was wondering: can I have my studs butting right up against my fiber blanket? My oven opening is 208 sqin. My vent opening is 55.77 sqin at the bottom and 34.67 sqin at the top. I was going to taper the opening, and I'm using a 6" ss chimney

[Tscarborough]

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Just don't put a stud centered at that particular point.

[UtahBeehiver]

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I believe you can cut a "portion" of the metal base stud on the inside near the intersection of the stud and dome without adversely affect the strength and eliminate the 1" gap since there is 3" of CF plus your planning on dry vermiculite. I cannot tell but how big is your vent opening, it appears small.