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  • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

    Looking good in. Still love your entry wide and very well built. Will look at your detail more when I get to this point. A way off at the moment.
    Cheers Colin

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    • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

      Originally posted by oasiscdm View Post
      Looking good in. Still love your entry wide and very well built. Will look at your detail more when I get to this point. A way off at the moment.
      Thanks,
      Any questions let me know. Although I think there is a lot more experienced help here on the forum. I'll try to help ya anyway I can.

      Hope your boy has a great bday.


      Ok Guys,
      There seams to be some differing opinions going around........One reason I try to error on the side of caution.

      Originally posted by oasiscdm View Post
      Didn't think that was necessary for a hemispheric arch.
      Brickie?


      Originally posted by Tscarborough View Post
      Unless the material the arch is made of is strong enough in tension you need to. Even a hemispherical arch still has force vectors not in line with the legs.


      I'm incorporating a four inch rebar reinforced block buttressing wall on each side of my hemispherical arch. At the base of the arch a 2 1\2" void separation between block buttress wall, this will get larger as the arch curves. I plan to fill this with a vermiculite insulating concrete.

      I did not feel comfortable leaving my arch un buttressed.
      I think I should be able to sufficiently buttress my arch with the proper ratio mixed insulating concrete. I was thinking 6:1 vermiculite to Portland cement.

      What are everones thoughts and suggestions?
      Respectfully,

      KB

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      • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

        Originally posted by kbartman View Post


        Ok Guys,
        There seams to be some differing opinions going around........One reason I try to error on the side of caution.
        Read this page, then the whole site.

        If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
        Last edited by brickie in oz; 09-01-2013, 11:29 PM.
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        • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

          Originally posted by brickie in oz View Post
          Read this page, then the whole site.

          If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
          That page and site has a lot of interesting and helpful information. From my understanding of their description on that page they distinguish between a ?circular dome? and an individual arch by describing the additional circular force acting within the dome structure. While the dome cross section is essentially a semicircular arch, absent this circular force the stand alone arch is seemingly less stable and as Tscarborough mentioned above it should have some buttressing.

          I buttressed my entry arch somewhat because I figured it needed it but more so because of my rudimentary masonry skills and fear that it could be weak because I didn't know what I was doing.
          John


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          • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

            Originally posted by brickie in oz View Post
            Read this page, then the whole site.

            If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
            Originally posted by jbruning View Post
            That page and site has a lot of interesting and helpful information.

            I buttressed my entry arch somewhat because I figured it needed it but more so because of my rudimentary masonry skills and fear that it could be weak because I didn't know what I was doing.
            John,
            I agree very good article good info, a little above my pay grade and my rudimentary skills also. I'll error on the side of safety. Hope to pour some insulating concrete around the arch today.
            Respectfully,

            KB

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            • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

              KB,

              That sure is looking nice. How far from the real kitchen is the oven?

              And remember if you turn out a marginal pie..... you might get a dunk in the pool from the recipients for not being a pizza master.
              Chip

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              • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                just read through your thread. Nice Build. and well done. Congrats.
                Texman
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                • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                  Originally posted by brickie in oz View Post
                  Read this page, then the whole site.

                  If you have to buttress a semi circle arch then surely you would have to buttress a semi circle dome too?
                  Not necessarily....there are infinite variables which factor into whether buttressing is needed or not.

                  One thing for sure, it won't hurt anything if a buttress is included in the build..good insurance.
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                  • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                    The fact that you loaded the arch and removed the centering without a hinge failure proves you have enough thickness in your arch without adding a buttress. For your span of 20"....3"-3.5" thickness on your arch is sufficient.


                    That said, you won't go wrong if...

                    Originally posted by kbartman View Post
                    ...I'll error on the side of safety.....
                    There is wisdom in caution.
                    Last edited by stonecutter; 09-06-2013, 06:46 PM.
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                    • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                      Originally posted by mrchipster View Post
                      KB,

                      That sure is looking nice. How far from the real kitchen is the oven?

                      And remember if you turn out a marginal pie..... you might get a dunk in the pool from the recipients for not being a pizza master.
                      Thanks Chip,

                      The kitchen is across the pool in the house. Hopefully I can master the pie soon and avoid the dunk, I'm sure I will with everyone expert advice.

                      Originally posted by texman View Post
                      just read through your thread. Nice Build. and well done. Congrats.
                      Texman
                      Thanks Texman,
                      Coming from a master builder like yourself,that means a lot.

                      I like your outer decorative arch I hope to do something similar. I noticed that there is no over lap of the outer vent arch and you have no smoke stains outside of the oven. I was considering having a over lap to avoid stains. The draw of the chimney must be the key.

                      Hope to put a fire in her soon.

                      Originally posted by stonecutter View Post
                      The fact that you loaded the arch and removed the centering without a hinge failure proves you have enough thickness in your arch without adding a buttress. For your span of 20"....3"-3.5" thickness on your arch is sufficient.


                      That said, you won't go wrong if...



                      There is wisdom in caution.
                      Thanks Stonecutter,
                      I really appreciated all your advice and wisdom.


                      Ok Guys,

                      I poured the insulating/buttressing concrete yesterday. I think I should be able to remove form boards today. How soon can I put a fire in her. I'm getting anxious.
                      Respectfully,

                      KB

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                      • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                        Originally posted by kbartman View Post


                        Ok Guys,

                        I poured the insulating/buttressing concrete yesterday. I think I should be able to remove form boards today. How soon can I put a fire in her. I'm getting anxious.
                        I would give the portland in the vcrete at least 7 days to cure before firing.
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                          Originally posted by Gulf View Post
                          I would give the portland in the vcrete at least 7 days to cure before firing.
                          Bummer ..............................its going to be a long wait
                          Respectfully,

                          KB

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                          • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                            I lit the first fire in mine about 15 minutes after I pulled the arch form out. Just build the heat slowly and you are good.

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                              Originally posted by Tscarborough View Post
                              I lit the first fire in mine about 15 minutes after I pulled the arch form out. Just build the heat slowly and you are good.
                              Originally posted by Gulf View Post
                              I would give the portland in the vcrete at least 7 days to cure before firing.

                              No one get there panties in a wad, but couldn't wait........... It's official, first fire......although just a draw test on the flu, a wad of paper........... I think I will let her rest and cure while I work on insulating and the enclosure.....................
                              Last edited by kbartman; 09-08-2013, 12:01 AM.
                              Respectfully,

                              KB

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                              • Re: My 40" Inch pizza oven in Florida

                                hey KB looking good.
                                Cheers Colin

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