Texman Build

[texman]

Re: Texman Build

still trying to decide. My plan is to do a troweled finish of stained concrete. I have around 30 sq ft of bar, so polishing would be a chore. i have found the recommended polishing pads and they are reasonably priced. i think for a small area, i would definitely polish. The pads will work in your grinder as well. Look at Neil2 "angled flight deck" thread. Good discussion of the polish as well as pouring the countertops. http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/39/a...k-17629-2.html HTH
I my troweled finish doesn't turn out good enough, then polish is my backup plan.
Tracy

[UtahBeehiver]

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Looks like you have more time to work on the counters while the new vent pipe comes . Are you going to polish your concrete counters? That is what I want to do on my hearth, pour a 2" concrete and polish so snooping around the forum on experiences.

[texman]

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Got my chimney pipe and ordered the wrong stuff. Called customer support at ventingpipe.com and they took return no problem. But get this, they gave me my $163.00 credit and here is what they said about the return:
Dear Tracy,

Your return request has been processed. You are not required to return the item(s) listed below and may dispose of them at your discretion.

So i have a 6" section and a ceiling support box for 7" triple wall pipe if anyone needs them. Crazy. Must be some really good margins on this stuff.
I was trying to use a ceiling support for the chimney pipe, but have abandoned that now. My chimney will be 3 x 3' sections for a total of 9' of flue. that will be about 8' above roof with spark arrestor. Hope to get that in this weekend and maybe actually start to cure the WFO. WOW! i only have two sections of the 3' now, but i think that will work for small curing fires until i get the last section next week.
I have overdesigned and underengineered my bar counters. Tscar has been a great help on the counters. Cantilevered concrete is difficult, to say the least.
Tracy

[PlanoPhil]

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We have the 10 foot horizontal and 3 foot above rules. My problem is a very steep roof.

Had to build mine 10 feet from my patio cover.

You will love it. Expensive pizza but what the hell. You only go around once.

Don't get discouraged if your first one is a dud. It's not as easy as some here let on. First lesson I learned is that heat saturation is key.

Good luck.

[Gulf]

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[QUOTE=texman;136601....Starting to think an igloo is the way to go......
I have 3" of blanket and a bunch of vermiculite to return, looks like........ Also i have the chimney that protrudes past the outer vent arch. That is just an appearance issue and i think it would be fine. Just definitely want to make sure i am not adding any more risk of fire since this thing is under roof. I will be studying the many great igloos out there.
Tracy[/QUOTE]

You can use a lot of vcrete as an extra 4" layer over your 3" of blanket. It can also be used to help insulate the outer arch and flu transition up to the point that your Duravent takes over. As for as the protrusion of your chimney, that can be taken out in your face brick.

[texman]

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Phil
i was in plano/murphy a few weeks ago and noticed some really tall chimneys around there. seemed higher than the 2' higher than nearest 10' distance. I am outside city limits so code boys dont care but i still care about fire. i have my chimney pipe now and will have 6' above roof which is 3' more than the rule above and 1' more than 5'minumum penetration rule. hopefully plenty of draw and no embers.
Tracy

[PlanoPhil]

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Tracy
I would have loved to have been able to build my oven under my patio cover as you did but Plano code required about a 15 foot chimney. You have a very nice space there.

Phil

[texman]

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Waiting on chimney pipe to arrive. Starting to think an igloo is the way to go. Need some advice on that, please. I have 3" of blanket and a bunch of vermiculite to return, looks like. But i think the igloo would keep things more open in the kitchen, but will require stucco by someone with no clue. But, been there too. Couple of questions: Do you give up any measurable efficiency with an igloo vs. enclosure? I am thinking of all that vermiculite i was going to use in addition to a 3" layer of blanket. Also i have the chimney that protrudes past the outer vent arch. That is just an appearance issue and i think it would be fine. Just definitely want to make sure i am not adding any more risk of fire since this thing is under roof. I will be studying the many great igloos out there.
Tracy

[texman]

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You could always leave just a little reveal so you can still see a small portion of them, and maybe later on, build an exterior door for smoking meat or just to add a little versatility to your oven.

gulf
Thanks Russell and Gulf for checking in. Glad the math helped, i feel like i have made a small contribution to the forum. Something besides, "Don't do what i did". Sometimes a break is good from the WFO build. I constantly think about whats next and how to do it "right" with no regrets. Would never be this far with a WFO this good without this forum and guys like y'all. Cheers!
Gulf,
I was wondering about the oven as a smoker and how that might work. Great idea and i will look for some examples. I guess it would be kinda like Amac's arch but more in front with a maybe 1" reveal? like the inner arch/outer arch transition then.
The Jack arch went pretty smooth really. The keystone is a actually a piece of firebrick from the floor tiles. That is the only full size fire brick i have left. I think the acid changed the color, but it looks good. Here is a better picture.
Tracy

[Gulf]

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I hope that I am the first to say that TScarborough was right about the jack arch. It fits the lines of your cornerbuild perfectly.

" Not sure why i spent so much time on my actual oven archs since they are about to disappear forever. I am proud of them anyway"

You could always leave just a little reveal so you can still see a small portion of them, and maybe later on, build an exterior door for smoking meat or just to add a little versatility to your oven.

Again it's looking great.

[UtahBeehiver]

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Hi Tex,

Been wondering where you have been. Looks like you have been busy. Coming together nice. Used your little math excercise on determining taper and bevels in those last course. Worked good but my circle is not exactly round so I have to do a little shaving adjustement but the process got me really close to where I needed to be. Thx.

[texman]

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I have completed the brick veneer on the base of the oven. I ordered some triple wall, triple priced chimney pipe today. I have been out of town and had a break from the build and i am ready to get on with it.

I used old chicago brick to match the house on the base and a jack arch over the wood storage area. I used a piece of angle for the arch support. I had to build a support for the top course on the base of the oven for the bricks at the center of the opening, since there is nothing underneath those. I used thinset on the back of brick that contacts the top of the base and mortar between. Using two different mortars at the same time was a slight challenge, but turned out well i think. Those few brick have no load and seem really solid so far. I didn't clean the bricks as good as i should have and had to use acid to clean. Can't do it right the first time, but it always gets there.

I am planning for an enclosed oven and stucco finish with a granite landing. I have a 3/8' piece of solid stainless for my heat breaks combined with ceramic rope gasket and kaowool to seal it all from the outside. I will make a decorative arch from old chicago. Not sure why i spent so much time on my actual oven archs since they are about to disappear forever. I am proud of them anyway.
Tracy
better pic of the base

[Gulf]

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Tracy,
I knew that you would come up with something. Corner builds are so cool . So many angles to break up the monotony, and to stamp that one of a kind build. Angles ain't easy but, they are a hell of a lot of fun.
Just an idea. How about forming and pouring a 3" X (what looks like to be a 8" or 9" reinforced concrete lintel ) over the vertical brick which face the sides of your brick storage. You can form and pour it separately on a bench then set it in place. Setting it to the back would leave 1" for a "Faux" arch, the design that you've shown, or in any other shape that that the lintel is formed.

[UtahBeehiver]

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Hey Tex,

I am right there with ya as a member of the SBS...........

[texman]

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Thanks
Took me about half-day and totally exhausted from the bending, kneeling, mixing mortar and cutting to lay those few bricks. New respect for all the "real" masons out there.
Tracy
edit: I think the larger mortar joints are more difficult. Lots of movement to manage and lots of mortar to manage. I am an Official member of the SBS "starving bricklayer society"